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    Re: When Did the United States Lose its Prestige?

    Who says it has lost it? I mean really - name another country that has done so much for others so consistently.

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    Re: When Did the United States Lose its Prestige?

    Quote Originally Posted by SirPwn4lot View Post
    When Did the United States Lose its Prestige?
    We never lost our prestige.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: When Did the United States Lose its Prestige?

    The first serious dent came November 7th 2000 with the disputed presidential election. For the first time, the world saw that the democracy they thought was perfect in the US, was no where near perfect and resembled more a 3rd world country. For the first time, people said.. hey our system is quite good compared!

    The final nail in the coffin happened on March 19 2003, when the US invaded Iraq. That should be self explanatory.

    Before those two events, the US at least maintained the aura of prestige and respectability. After those events it was shattered.
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    Re: When Did the United States Lose its Prestige?

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    It started with Nixon, increased under Regan, and ultimately grew to epic proportions under the Bush line. In between, a combination of inaction and overspending by the Dems only compounded the problems, however it was the ultra conservative mentality that formed the worst aspects of U.S. foreign policy in the latter half of the 20th century. This is what turned the world away.
    Nixon was a good president actually. He got us out of a war, he opened relations with China, he started in with environmental concerns, he introduced a form of universal healthcare (it didn't fly). And all he did wrong was lie about knowing about something. Not even setting it up or being involved, lied about knowing about something. Hell in today's political arena, the guy's a saint.

    THAT'S how far we've fallen.
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    Re: When Did the United States Lose its Prestige?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    We never lost our prestige.
    It's not really for you to judge. Prestige is about the reputation and image of the US in the eyes of the wider world. You, as an American, can't really be expected to be able to judge yourself or the opinions of other non-Americans.
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    Re: When Did the United States Lose its Prestige?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    It's not really for you to judge. Prestige is about the reputation and image of the US in the eyes of the wider world. You, as an American, can't really be expected to be able to judge yourself or the opinions of other non-Americans.
    So you are saying that only Euro-trash Bush-bashing anti-war-tards can judge whether or not the US lost its prestige?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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    Re: When Did the United States Lose its Prestige?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So you are saying that only Euro-trash Bush-bashing anti-war-tards can judge whether or not the US lost its prestige?
    Don't be ridiculous, Europe's just a small continent constituting a fraction of world opinion. US prestige will be judged by Asia, Africa, Central and South America, Oceania and Europe. My point is just that it can't, by definition, be decided by Americans.
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    Re: When Did the United States Lose its Prestige?

    "Of course I worry about America," he says. "The whole world depends on America ultimately, particularly Britain. And also, I love America—a marvelous country. But in a sense I don't worry about America because I think America has such huge strengths—particularly its freedom of thought and expression—that it's going to survive as a top nation for the foreseeable future. And therefore take care of the world."

    The Weekend Interview with Paul Johnson: Why America Will Stay on Top - WSJ.com

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    Re: When Did the United States Lose its Prestige?

    Our greatness isn't lost, just tarnished. FDR certainly was the start... the new deal and the remaking of this country and laying the groundwork for the now ever present welfare/nanny state owes much of it to FDR's vision. Then again, I doubt FDR would have foreseen to what lows his policies would go in 60 years.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: When Did the United States Lose its Prestige?

    Quote Originally Posted by snilloctjc View Post
    "Of course I worry about America," he says. "The whole world depends on America ultimately, particularly Britain. And also, I love America—a marvelous country. But in a sense I don't worry about America because I think America has such huge strengths—particularly its freedom of thought and expression—that it's going to survive as a top nation for the foreseeable future. And therefore take care of the world."

    The Weekend Interview with Paul Johnson: Why America Will Stay on Top - WSJ.com
    You could probably do with better advocates than an octogenarian, weather vane (emphasis on vain) like Johnson. His brand of ultra-conservative, family-values, Catholic traditionalism (applied to everyone except himself and his mistress) plays well perhaps with tea-partiers, but is hardly representative of mainstream European opinion.
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