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Thread: When Did the United States Lose its Prestige?

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    Re: When Did the United States Lose its Prestige?

    I'd say the 70s is when a lot of problems came in. That marked the legalization of abortion, the beginning of the gay rights movement, fomenting of evolutionary psychology, and the creation of no-fault divorce.

    However, economically it also marked the beginning of free trade agreements like NAFTA that would spell the destruction of our manufacturing industry and a new period of warmongering per Vietnam. Shortly afterwards, CEO compensation skyrocketed from 35 times the pay of the average work in 1978 to 300 times by 2000. Deregulation resulted in the growth of fascism, i.e. corporate rather than democratic control, and a resurgence of the monopolization that Teddy Roosevelt and his era of trustbusting in the early 1900s had stamped out.

    Because of American intrusion in Vietnam and elsewhere, we began to destroy the worldwide goodwill we had built up following WWII, even as we let China parasite our economy by using a much lower minimum wage to take all of the economic growth with its cheap workforce, destroying the economic strength that made us the predominant world power.
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    Re: When Did the United States Lose its Prestige?

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Who? In what way anymore? I think you underestimate how much the Iraq war clobbered our prestige.
    Everybody. Who's response to any situation is so thoroughly critiqued? People and leaders of other countries have expectations of us, either as an ally or as a potential advesary. As a giver or witholder of aid. Just because you think our "prestige" was severly clobbered with Iraq does not make it so. I'm not saying everybody was ok with Iraq, but the idea that everybody quit looking to us is ludicrous. If a global emergency opened up, where will they look to for help? Canada? France? Spain? Germany? Russia? I doubt it.
    Because they don't have a significant relationship with them like we have had.
    Well thats what a world power has. Significant relationships with several countries. And with that comes expectations. When you do little to nothing, little is expected of you. When you are a major player, with lots of prestige, there is expectations that come with it.
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    Re: When Did the United States Lose its Prestige?

    NAFTA's results are likely mixed and to complicated to be commented on as being positive or negative with any accuracy, it was made more to merely bring high level bureaucracy from the two countries together to pass something that was politically positive and wouldnt do much. If anyone claims NAFTA resulted in a overall positive or negative they are squarely speaking out of their hindside.

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    Re: When Did the United States Lose its Prestige?

    Both we and Canada have good minimum wages, but Mexico is far lower, and thus likely to have an unfair advantage in attracting cheap labor to the country. While NAFTA itself may be difficult to evaluate, since our relationship with Canada is good but Mexico not so much, it marked the beginning to a number of more questionable trade agreements, including the one with Oman that Barack Obama voted for while in Congress.

    Logically, if a country like China has no minimum wage, and we require workers be paid $7.25 an hour with benefits, so a company can hire dozens of foreign workers for the price of one U.S. one, then labor will go over there. That is why we have yearly been running a huge trade deficit with China, importing 3-6 times from it what it imports from us. It's a one-sided trade relationship.

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    Re: When Did the United States Lose its Prestige?

    July 4th, 1776
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    Re: When Did the United States Lose its Prestige?

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    but the idea that everybody quit looking to us is ludicrous. If a global emergency opened up, where will they look to for help? Canada? France? Spain? Germany? Russia? I doubt it.
    What is this 'looking to us' thing? You mean gaze off into the sky with a twinkle in their eyes called America? What's a global emergency? Last I remembered the latest global emergency, the global economic recession, was caused by America. You need to get out from behind the stars and stripes curtain sometime. American prestige was demolished by the Iraq war.

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    Re: When Did the United States Lose its Prestige?

    Quote Originally Posted by SirPwn4lot View Post
    So, when did the United States lose its greatness.
    The second we launched an unprovoked attack on another country. We can get it back, but it will take a lot of work.

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    Re: When Did the United States Lose its Prestige?

    I think obama is slowly getting the prestige back with his well crafted and meaningful foreign policy. I think a few more clever apologies to the world by him will usher in a renewed American love interest.
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    Re: When Did the United States Lose its Prestige?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Just to clarify: I don't believe the US ever *did* lose its prestige, in terms of being worse off. However, there are some relatively recent developments that will make us less competitive in the long term. I think the four biggest changes for the worse in recent decades are:

    1980s - The ramp-up of the war on drugs, which has devastated our inner cities, exacerbated racial tension, and caused civil wars in at least two countries to our south.
    1980s - The birth of the foolish belief that tax cuts will either A) produce a free lunch by paying for themselves, or B) "starve the beast" and force Congress to cut spending. Both of these conclusions are at odds with reality, as well as each other.
    1990s - The beginning of the Senate "tradition" of filibustering every bill by default, requiring a 60-vote supermajority for everything and making it impossible to make any necessary economic decisions.
    2000s - The incredibly self-destructive notion that we need to view terrorism as a problem that can be solved with our military.
    I can't believe I am agreeing with you, although these aren't the only issues. I keep going back to what our founding fathers warn us about ie; two party system, national banks, standing armies, foreign entanglements, military industrial might, incarcerating our own citizens etc. The tax issues is the only thing I disagree with you about or perhaps it is the method of taxing.

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    Re: When Did the United States Lose its Prestige?

    Quote Originally Posted by Awesome! View Post
    I think obama is slowly getting the prestige back with his well crafted and meaningful foreign policy. I think a few more clever apologies to the world by him will usher in a renewed American love interest.
    Those threats against fascist dictators seem to be working superbly as well. I'm sure that quivering Libyan guy is about ready to cave after that previous stern letter.

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