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    Re: Is flag burning free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Far too many people do not always do the right thing with their property....And , of course, I am discussing public display flags, but even those private ones should be treated with respect..
    Public display flags are different. That is either the publics governmental flag or a privately owned flag. You have no right to burn someone else's property and definitely not public property.

    It does not matter if you feel what they are doing is right. As long as they are breaking no law, they have the right. Property rights and free speech are much more important than your individual feelings.

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Whatever happened to respect, honor, sensitivity, civility ?
    These are more than just words....
    You are preaching to the choir here. This does not however apply in this situation. I put my life on the line to defend this Republic and what it stands for. I would do it again to protect the right of someone to burn their flag to make a statement. Free speech is to important.

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Rights must be limited, we do not have the quality of people to have unlimited rights....
    So you would silence dissidents for the sake of what? Someones feelings? PC bull****. We mite as well get rid of the first amendment while we are at it. As long as your right does not infringe upon mine, no other limits are necessary.

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    SCOTUS consists of a bunch of old worn out men, they had best remember this, that they too are public servants..
    Because you know so much better.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: Is flag burning free speech?

    "If you want a symbolic gesture, don't burn the flag, wash it."

    Norman Thomas

    If you were to burn a flag, isn't to say that you dislike the USA enough to set on fire the very symbol of it?

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    Re: Is flag burning free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    It is, inherently, just a piece of cloth just like the work f*ck is just, inherently, a collection of sounds. Any other meaning attached to either is relative and not a part of the cloth or the word. Meaning is a part of the mind, not the objects we attach it to...
    And the constitution is after all just a piece of paper...

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    Re: Is flag burning free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    And the constitution is after all just a piece of paper...
    But...it is just a piece of paper. The words that make up the constitution are, inherently, a collection of symbols. The meaning that we attribute to those symbols is located in our minds and their expression is dependent on the patterns of our action...

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    Re: Is flag burning free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    And the constitution is after all just a piece of paper...
    Yeah, but it's hemp paper. Burning it might have side effects.

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    Re: Is flag burning free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Burning it is no different than burning a shirt or a bedsheet.
    Or a bra! We mustn't forget the bras!

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    Re: Is flag burning free speech?

    Burning a copy of the constitution no more negates the symbolism and the force of law behind it than burning a flag would negate the symbolism behind it. Now burning the original wouldn't negate it's legal force, just deprive us of a historical item.

    I have to wonder if those who are stating that the burning of the flag is wrong and thus should be illegal because of what it stands for, would maintain it for all other flags including the stars and bars? Because the same principle hold for all flags. Basically it's an all or nothing deal.

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    Re: Is flag burning free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    So you question a person mind just because they see Flag as something more then a piece of cloth?
    No, I'm stating that it is a piece of cloth, no matter what anyone thinks. What do you think a flag is made of? Cloth. Okay, I suppose some can be made of plastic, but the normal material such things are made of is some form of cloth. So there is no argument about what these flags actually are, is there? If an individual attributes something more to that piece of cloth, that's their problem. It's still a piece of cloth.
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    Re: Is flag burning free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Reverence is also tossed, along with respect ? I think its good to have some things that are on a sacred level.
    The proper way of disposing of an old worn out flag cannot be compared to how it is treated when "alive and well"....
    You can revere or respect it as you wish, you're welcome to feel however you want about it. You cannot, however, mandate how others must feel about it. The simple fact is, a flag is a piece of property, people buy and sell them every day. There is a very basic concept, enshrined in our society and, according to some, made a symbol by the flag, that says people have the freedom to do with their own personal, private property whatever they wish, so long as it doesn't harm others.

    You'd rather worship a piece of cloth and ignore everything it stands for. That's sad.
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    Re: Is flag burning free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    And the constitution is after all just a piece of paper...
    Yes it is, and if you buy a copy of the Constitution, you're more than welcome to burn it if you want. Of course, since the original Constitution cannot be bought and is the property of the United States as a whole, obviously that doesn't apply.
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