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    Re: Is flag burning free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Then by all means, if it means that much to someone, they shouldn't burn their flags. However, they have no control over flags owned by other people, nor do they have any say in what is done with them. Like it or not, no one is owed respect, no matter what they've done and the view that somehow burning a piece of cloth is showing disrespect to others is absurd in the extreme. Then again, I guess people who tie their entire emotional views to a piece of cloth aren't terribly rational to begin with.



    No one has a right not to be offended and for those who react in the extreme, wishing physical violence toward those who would exercise the freedoms guaranteed us in this country, there is something seriously wrong with them.
    So you question a person mind just because they see Flag as something more then a piece of cloth?

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    Re: Is flag burning free speech?

    The flag is a symbol of the State, essentially the government. Burning it in protest against the State is well within the rights and liberties of any individual.
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    Re: Is flag burning free speech?

    I think you're belittling your own ideologies by saying they can be sized up in simple stars and stripes. I also think you're belittling those who have died in your wars by saying they can be defined by simple stars and stripes. It's just a piece of cloth. And as long as it's that person's property they should be able to do whatever they want with it.
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    Re: Is flag burning free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Then by all means, if it means that much to someone, they shouldn't burn their flags. However, they have no control over flags owned by other people, nor do they have any say in what is done with them. Like it or not, no one is owed respect, no matter what they've done and the view that somehow burning a piece of cloth is showing disrespect to others is absurd in the extreme. Then again, I guess people who tie their entire emotional views to a piece of cloth aren't terribly rational to begin with.

    No one has a right not to be offended and for those who react in the extreme, wishing physical violence toward those who would exercise the freedoms guaranteed us in this country, there is something seriously wrong with them.
    And so...you see a lot of people here that are OPPOSED to flag burning denying people free speech? Cuz...funny...I dont. Evn those that vehenently disagree with the act have said that it is still within someones 'right' to do so.

    ANd you are either being dishonest or horribly naive if you truly believe it is 'just' a piece of cloth. If that were the case there wouldnt be such strong and passionate stands against the acts. The most passionate voices against flag burning typically come from people who have actually had to work and sacrifice. To those individuals I promise you...its not just a piece of cloth. But from the perspective of some spoiled little **** who has equates combat and sacrifice to giving up on the bong party early on a Sunday so he can take a midterm at 11 on Monday and then go down to the big Free Speech rally...well...totally different perspective...

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    Re: Is flag burning free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    So you question a person mind just because they see Flag as something more then a piece of cloth?
    They can see it as a grilled cheese sandwich if they want, that doesn't change the fact that it is, in fact, a piece of cloth.
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    Re: Is flag burning free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    And so...you see a lot of people here that are OPPOSED to flag burning denying people free speech? Cuz...funny...I dont. Evn those that vehenently disagree with the act have said that it is still within someones 'right' to do so.

    ANd you are either being dishonest or horribly naive if you truly believe it is 'just' a piece of cloth. If that were the case there wouldnt be such strong and passionate stands against the acts. The most passionate voices against flag burning typically come from people who have actually had to work and sacrifice. To those individuals I promise you...its not just a piece of cloth. But from the perspective of some spoiled little **** who has equates combat and sacrifice to giving up on the bong party early on a Sunday so he can take a midterm at 11 on Monday and then go down to the big Free Speech rally...well...totally different perspective...
    It is, inherently, just a piece of cloth just like the work f*ck is just, inherently, a collection of sounds. Any other meaning attached to either is relative and not a part of the cloth or the word. Meaning is a part of the mind, not the objects we attach it to...

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    Re: Is flag burning free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Why? A flag is just a piece of cloth. It's usually made in China. Burning it is no different than burning a shirt or a bedsheet. Besides, isn't the proper way to dispose of a flag by burning it?
    Reverence is also tossed, along with respect ? I think its good to have some things that are on a sacred level.
    The proper way of disposing of an old worn out flag cannot be compared to how it is treated when "alive and well"....

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    Re: Is flag burning free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    So you want to tell people what they can do with their own property instead? As long as no las are being broken, it is their right. By saying the SCOTUS is wrong, you absolutely want to take away someone's right.
    Far too many people do not always do the right thing with their property....And , of course, I am discussing public display flags, but even those private ones should be treated with respect..
    Whatever happened to respect, honor, sensitivity, civility ?
    These are more than just words....
    Rights must be limited, we do not have the quality of people to have unlimited rights....
    SCOTUS consists of a bunch of old worn out men, they had best remember this, that they too are public servants..

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    Re: Is flag burning free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    It is, inherently, just a piece of cloth just like the work f*ck is just, inherently, a collection of sounds. Any other meaning attached to either is relative and not a part of the cloth or the word. Meaning is a part of the mind, not the objects we attach it to...
    And we can regress into being a bunch of wild animals as well, being rude,disrespectful, inconsiderate, selfish....It is happening, right in front of us - the liberals on TV, the liars,the wealthy, the tea party, the criminals and the next-to-be criminals.

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    Re: Is flag burning free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    And we can regress into being a bunch of wild animals as well, being rude,disrespectful, inconsiderate, selfish....It is happening, right in front of us - the liberals on TV, the liars,the wealthy, the tea party, the criminals and the next-to-be criminals.
    I'm lost. What does this have to do with my comment on the nature of meaning?

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