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    Re: Is flag burning free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Very true.

    It's interesting because I don't personally place any symbolism on the flag. I have no internal reaction whatsoever to seeing it burned, but I would never actually burn one myself because I know that others feel so strongly about it and I because of that I consider it a douchebag-type thing to do.
    The flag means many thing to me. My Country, Our History and Traditions, Those who have died in her service. So you could say I slighty feel strong about our Flag.

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    Re: Is flag burning free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    The flag means many thing to me. My Country, Our History and Traditions, Those who have died in her service. So you could say I slighty feel strong about our Flag.
    And that's why I would never burn it despite not attaching that kind of symbolism to it myself.

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    Re: Is flag burning free speech?

    I am not thinking of taking away any "rights".
    Obviously, freedom of speech needs to be defined.
    Our flag represents too much, and it must be above being insulted so.
    Civility?
    Respect?
    Sensitivity?
    Today, these seem to be forgotten in our discourse and media...

    Are these forgotten in a misguided effort to the "fair and just" ?
    Our Supreme Count ruling is wrong !....and this is not the first time.
    I am in the minority, big time, I know, but much more is needed for me to alter my decision.

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    Re: Is flag burning free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    I am not thinking of taking away any "rights".
    Obviously, freedom of speech needs to be defined.
    Our flag represents too much, and it must be above being insulted so.
    Civility?
    Respect?
    Sensitivity?
    Today, these seem to be forgotten in our discourse and media...

    Are these forgotten in a misguided effort to the "fair and just" ?
    Our Supreme Count ruling is wrong !....and this is not the first time.
    I am in the minority, big time, I know, but much more is needed for me to alter my decision.
    Why? A flag is just a piece of cloth. It's usually made in China. Burning it is no different than burning a shirt or a bedsheet. Besides, isn't the proper way to dispose of a flag by burning it?
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    Re: Is flag burning free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    I am not thinking of taking away any "rights".
    Obviously, freedom of speech needs to be defined.
    Our flag represents too much, and it must be above being insulted so.
    Civility?
    Respect?
    Sensitivity?
    Today, these seem to be forgotten in our discourse and media...

    Are these forgotten in a misguided effort to the "fair and just" ?
    Our Supreme Count ruling is wrong !....and this is not the first time.
    I am in the minority, big time, I know, but much more is needed for me to alter my decision.
    So you want to tell people what they can do with their own property instead? As long as no las are being broken, it is their right. By saying the SCOTUS is wrong, you absolutely want to take away someone's right.
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

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    Re: Is flag burning free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Why? A flag is just a piece of cloth. It's usually made in China. Burning it is no different than burning a shirt or a bedsheet. Besides, isn't the proper way to dispose of a flag by burning it?
    The question at hand is burning the Flag in protest Free Speech. There is a certain respectful cermony when you retire (burn) a Flag.
    Last edited by cpgrad08; 03-09-11 at 11:16 AM.

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    Re: Is flag burning free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Besides, isn't the proper way to dispose of a flag by burning it?
    Yes, but it would seem apparent to most that there is a difference between respectfully burning an old, worn flag so that it need not touch the ground and burning the flag in protest because one opposes what it stands for.

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    Re: Is flag burning free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    The question at hand is burning the Flag in protest Free Speech. There is a certain respectful cermony when you retire (burn) a Flag.
    I think the question at hand is why people are getting so upset over a perceived symbol when, in reality, it means nothing. I get really tired of people attaching so much meaning to a simple piece of cloth, to the point that they're willing to violate what they think it really stands for, freedom.
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    Re: Is flag burning free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I think the question at hand is why people are getting so upset over a perceived symbol when, in reality, it means nothing. I get really tired of people attaching so much meaning to a simple piece of cloth, to the point that they're willing to violate what they think it really stands for, freedom.
    It doesn't just mean freedom to many people, though. For a lot of people -especially those who have served in the military- it represents the blood spilled to preserve the nation. this kind of symbolism adds a human element to the flag for many. They don't think of burning the flag as a denial of freedom, but an actual instance of disrespect towards those people who have spilled their blood in defense of the nation. This is not an unreasonable symbolism.

    This means that the reality for them is that the flag is much more than just a piece of cloth, despite the fact that you and I might view it as just a piece of cloth.

    I don't agree that flag burning should be illegal, but I can certainly understand why some people feel that way and I certainly understand why it is seen as offensive to many.

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    Re: Is flag burning free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    It doesn't just mean freedom to many people, though. For a lot of people -especially those who have served in the military- it represents the blood spilled to preserve the nation. this kind of symbolism adds a human element to the flag for many. They don't think of burning the flag as a denial of freedom, but an actual instance of disrespect towards those people who have spilled their blood in defense of the nation. This is not an unreasonable symbolism.
    Then by all means, if it means that much to someone, they shouldn't burn their flags. However, they have no control over flags owned by other people, nor do they have any say in what is done with them. Like it or not, no one is owed respect, no matter what they've done and the view that somehow burning a piece of cloth is showing disrespect to others is absurd in the extreme. Then again, I guess people who tie their entire emotional views to a piece of cloth aren't terribly rational to begin with.

    This means that the reality for them is that the flag is much more than just a piece of cloth, despite the fact that you and I might view it as just a piece of cloth.

    I don't agree that flag burning should be illegal, but I can certainly understand why some people feel that way and I certainly understand why it is seen as offensive to many.
    No one has a right not to be offended and for those who react in the extreme, wishing physical violence toward those who would exercise the freedoms guaranteed us in this country, there is something seriously wrong with them.
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