View Poll Results: Should flag burning be protected as free speech?

Voters
74. You may not vote on this poll
  • Yes, I agree with the supreme court ruling

    60 81.08%
  • No, flag burning should be illegal/a crime

    10 13.51%
  • I am not sure

    1 1.35%
  • Other, explain

    3 4.05%
Page 10 of 11 FirstFirst ... 891011 LastLast
Results 91 to 100 of 103

Thread: Is flag burning free speech?

  1. #91
    Sage
    VanceMack's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:50 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    54,600

    Re: Is flag burning free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Yeah, but it's hemp paper. Burning it might have side effects.
    Dare to dream, baby...

  2. #92
    Sage
    VanceMack's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:50 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    54,600

    Re: Is flag burning free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Yes it is, and if you buy a copy of the Constitution, you're more than welcome to burn it if you want. Of course, since the original Constitution cannot be bought and is the property of the United States as a whole, obviously that doesn't apply.
    If it is as simple, cut and dried as you want to pretend it is we wouldnt be having this discussion, now would we. There wouldnt be lawsuits, demonstrations, court rulings, etc. Pretending it is 'just' a piece of cloth is simply foolish. But hey...show some balls. Go to an American legion hall and burn that cloth. Go to a VA hospital. Find out just how many people disagree with you.

    Just a piece of cloth to people that have never had to sacrifice for it. And thats OK...you have the right to feel that way.

  3. #93
    Sage

    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Last Seen
    11-17-17 @ 12:48 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    19,610

    Re: Is flag burning free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    If it is as simple, cut and dried as you want to pretend it is we wouldnt be having this discussion, now would we. There wouldnt be lawsuits, demonstrations, court rulings, etc. Pretending it is 'just' a piece of cloth is simply foolish. But hey...show some balls. Go to an American legion hall and burn that cloth. Go to a VA hospital. Find out just how many people disagree with you.

    Just a piece of cloth to people that have never had to sacrifice for it. And thats OK...you have the right to feel that way.
    It is, inherently, just a piece of cloth. The meaning that we give it comes from our minds. Why is that so difficult to understand? The reason people get upset when you burn it is because of the meaning they project onto it from their minds. This is just a fact. No object is inherently anything. This is why children need to be taught the meaning of the American flag.

  4. #94
    Sage
    Ikari's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Colorado
    Last Seen
    12-08-17 @ 01:05 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    54,124

    Re: Is flag burning free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    If it is as simple, cut and dried as you want to pretend it is we wouldnt be having this discussion, now would we. There wouldnt be lawsuits, demonstrations, court rulings, etc. Pretending it is 'just' a piece of cloth is simply foolish. But hey...show some balls. Go to an American legion hall and burn that cloth. Go to a VA hospital. Find out just how many people disagree with you.

    Just a piece of cloth to people that have never had to sacrifice for it. And thats OK...you have the right to feel that way.
    Go onto private property and antagonize? Not really the best of all ideas, huh?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

  5. #95
    Sage
    Ikari's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Colorado
    Last Seen
    12-08-17 @ 01:05 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    54,124

    Re: Is flag burning free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    "If you want a symbolic gesture, don't burn the flag, wash it."

    Norman Thomas

    If you were to burn a flag, isn't to say that you dislike the USA enough to set on fire the very symbol of it?
    Or that you dislike the US government enough to set on fire the very symbol of it.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

  6. #96
    Sage
    VanceMack's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2010
    Last Seen
    Today @ 01:50 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    54,600

    Re: Is flag burning free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Go onto private property and antagonize? Not really the best of all ideas, huh?
    WHat could POSSIBLY be wrong with that? since its 'just' a piece of cloth.

  7. #97
    Sage
    Ikari's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Location
    Colorado
    Last Seen
    12-08-17 @ 01:05 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    54,124

    Re: Is flag burning free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    WHat could POSSIBLY be wrong with that? since its 'just' a piece of cloth.
    People usually don't take too kindly to strangers showing up, burning **** on their private property. I mean, I can similarly say you can come onto my property and burn anything you want and we can see how well that flies.
    Last edited by Ikari; 03-10-11 at 05:56 PM.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

  8. #98
    King Of The Dog Pound
    Black Dog's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    South Florida
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    34,489

    Re: Is flag burning free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    WHat could POSSIBLY be wrong with that? since its 'just' a piece of cloth.
    It's not their property not to mention they would be charged with arson.

    This is a REALLY stupid argument. Ikari is absolutly right as is the SCOTUS.

    Property rights and freedom of speech are to important to start restricting them because someones feelings mite get hurt.

    PS I thought libertarians were supposed to be the champions of property rights and free speech?
    Last edited by Black Dog; 03-10-11 at 08:02 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
    Quote Originally Posted by Absentglare View Post
    You can successfully wipe your ass with toilet paper, that doesn't mean that you should.

  9. #99
    Baby Eating Monster
    Korimyr the Rat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Laramie, WY
    Last Seen
    11-23-17 @ 02:02 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Left
    Posts
    18,709
    Blog Entries
    1

    Re: Is flag burning free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    It is, inherently, just a piece of cloth. The meaning that we give it comes from our minds. Why is that so difficult to understand? The reason people get upset when you burn it is because of the meaning they project onto it from their minds. This is just a fact. No object is inherently anything.
    By the same token, you're just a collection of random chemicals worth less than it would cost to extract them. All value is subjective because valuation is a process of the mind.

  10. #100
    Sage

    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Last Seen
    11-17-17 @ 12:48 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    19,610

    Re: Is flag burning free speech?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    By the same token, you're just a collection of random chemicals worth less than it would cost to extract them. All value is subjective because valuation is a process of the mind.
    I agree. Human beings do not have an an inherent value. Any meaning that we attribute to ourselves is purely subjective in located in our minds. This phenomenon is why philosophers and scientists have tried for centuries to understand the nature of the mind and the self.

Page 10 of 11 FirstFirst ... 891011 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •