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Thread: Challenge To DP Members

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    Re: Challenge To DP Members

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I've got a challenge for those here at the DP.

    In 99% of my posts I try very hard to not even mention a party when I respond to <insert political topic post here>. And I would dare anyone to go through my past posts and prove this wrong.

    Anyways...

    In alot of the posts around here you can see the various sides always commenting, blaming, flaming (when possible), and thinly making derogatory remarks against the opposite side.

    So, here's a challenge to everyone that is designed to promote a new form of debating at DP. That of Debating from a neutral standpoint in regards to a political party standpoint.

    Do not mention, type, hint anything about ANY party. Just discuss the topic. Its fine if a website that you link to mentions a political party. But don't let yourself mention a political party. Lets give this a try for one week and lets see how interesting the discussions REALLY get. (note that if a thread is SPECIFICALLY about a party then its ok to mention the party..just try and keep it as neutral as possible though. )

    Now I'm making this into a poll so that we can use it as a sort of "sign up sheet". If you want to try it out just hit "agree". Don't want to? Just ignore the poll or hit "disagree". The poll will be open to the public so that we can all keep an eye on each other.
    Didn't someone already make a social group for this?

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    Re: Challenge To DP Members

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    1. Since it can't be clearly demonstrated, it's kind of silly to bring it up as a point for argument.



    2. You are failing to see the difference between changing and being changed.
    1. Many things can't be clearly demonstrated in life. You can't clearly demonstrate why your political views are correct, yet you do so anyways. "Depends" was the qualifier. That statement was targeted not just at you, but everyone. Because everyone does not hold your same view, said statement was deemed correct. Hence why qualifiers are so useful.

    2. Silly me, let me bring depth to the issue. *3.

    3.1 ~ Physically, my prior statement #2 to you was correct.
    3.1 ~ Conceptually, in regards to #2 "Change is life", we feel the floor to the pool we're in disappear. I'll backtrack and revisit that point from a more conceptual view. *3.3

    3.3. What is life? How can you prove life is "being changed?" Is the purpose of life to "be changed?"

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    Re: Challenge To DP Members

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    1. Many things can't be clearly demonstrated in life. You can't clearly demonstrate why your political views are correct, yet you do so anyways.
    The difference between politics and religion, or politics and the spiritual, is that politics involves differing perspectives on events happening "in front of" all parties involved in the discussion, whereas religion or the spiritual involves differing perspectives on that which can't be observed beyond the perspective of the individual.

    I'd appreciate if you restricted your argument to things happening in the more-or-less physical world, otherwise we're going to run out of room to discuss anything very quickly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    3.3. What is life?
    Life is the individual's ability to change exceeding the environment's ability to change the individual. Death is the individual's inability to change in any meaningful way.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Challenge To DP Members

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    The difference between politics and religion, or politics and the spiritual, is that politics involves differing perspectives on events happening "in front of" all parties involved in the discussion, whereas religion or the spiritual involves differing perspectives on that which can't be observed beyond the perspective of the individual.

    I'd appreciate if you restricted your argument to things happening in the more-or-less physical world, otherwise we're going to run out of room to discuss anything very quickly.



    Life is the individual's ability to change exceeding the environment's ability to change the individual. Death is the individual's inability to change in any meaningful way.
    An internally generated wave, such as that from a storm, is not the motion of water, but energy moving through water. The water itself moves very little. In this way are religion and politics both about the movement of power and idea through the people.
    Last edited by Jerry; 03-12-11 at 02:32 PM.

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    Re: Challenge To DP Members

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    An internally generated wave, such as that from a storm, is not the motion of water, but energy moving through water. The water itself moves very little. In this way are religion and politics both about the movement of power and idea through the people.
    Could you clarify what you mean by "internally generated," and could you rephrase how your comparison relates to what I said?
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Challenge To DP Members

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Could you clarify what you mean by "internally generated," and could you rephrase how your comparison relates to what I said?
    The key difference is whether or not a foreign object is introduced to the body of water.

    To compare, an externally generated wave might be a meteor impact. In such an event, where the water is displaced, and the water itself moves a great deal.

    An internally generated wave might be a storm out at sea string the ocean creating swells, or an underwater landslide creating a tsunami. In these cases, the water itself moves moves very little, it's the energy transmitted through them which is great.

    I would argue that if we consider the people as a body of water, then both politics and religion are already within us, so when politics or religion compel us to move, we move in the manner of storm swells cresting on the beach and not like a meteor impact.
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    Re: Challenge To DP Members

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    I don't think the point is to argue without bias. I think the point is to not just label and dismiss the counter-argument.
    Exactly.




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    Re: Challenge To DP Members

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Exactly.




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    Oh you're trying to end trolling. Good luck with that

    We've petitioned for social group prives, privileged members sub-forum for the very civil., but in the end, it doesn't hold water. Hell they even shut down the private/reverse/true debate forums due to lake of participation.

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    Re: Challenge To DP Members

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Tried that, too. Over time your (everyone's) frustration will build. You may think otherwise. Heh, you may last months. Your frustration will undoubtedly cause you to label and dismiss.
    I have been debating this way for years now. In my experiance political party bias just gets in the way of the actual issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    A test only 1-2 weeks long? Sure. But what does that accomplish if you can't last indefinitely? It's akin to not eating fast food for 2 weeks, and then resuming your bad habit.
    Shows that it can be done.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wake View Post
    Furthermore, why ban only fast food? As in just labeling and dismissing? We're told we're inherently good, right? That in account, why not try to stop all bias, bad grammar, bad spelling, ad nauseum? Why only target a certain patch of skin for a certain spance of time, when we could and "inherently" should target all for a permanent length of time?
    Because you can't force change. You can offer it and show the effects of doing something, but thats it.
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    Re: Challenge To DP Members

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Oh you're trying to end trolling. Good luck with that

    We've petitioned for social group prives, privileged members sub-forum for the very civil., but in the end, it doesn't hold water. Hell they even shut down the private/reverse/true debate forums due to lake of participation.
    Not necessarily trolling...though that would certainly be nice. More along the lines of trying to end partisanship. I think that if people approach an issue without thinking along party lines an issue can be ultimately resolved. Sure might still take a good long while to accomplish..but maybe a bit less time since there won't be as much hate.
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