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    Re: Do you support (NLRA) allowing "closed shop"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Yes I do

    Given that any employee that is part of a union shop will benifit from the work of the union regarding labour contracts (wages and benifits) they should be expected to pay dues in order to pay for the representation the union provides

    This is only necessarily true in a closed ship environment. In right to work states where "closed shops" are not allowed union and non union workers can work side by side with their own wages and benefits.

    I have worked in a mixed shop before. I was not a union member and I did not receive any of the union benefits. The fella that worked the same exact job right next to me who was a union member made $3 more per hour, had 2x as many breaks, received a better health care package and had more sick time off.

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    Re: Do you support (NLRA) allowing "closed shop"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    This is only necessarily true in a closed ship environment. In right to work states where "closed shops" are not allowed union and non union workers can work side by side with their own wages and benefits.

    I have worked in a mixed shop before. I was not a union member and I did not receive any of the union benefits. The fella that worked the same exact job right next to me who was a union member made $3 more per hour, had 2x as many breaks, received a better health care package and had more sick time off.
    He seemed to profit from being in the Union, compared to not being in the union
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    Re: Do you support (NLRA) allowing "closed shop"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    He seemed to profit from being in the Union, compared to not being in the union
    Im sure he did while the opprotunity was there. I believe he said he paid about $50 a month in dues. Unfortunatly the plant closed and moved to Mexico in the early 90's to combat rising labor costs.

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    Re: Do you support (NLRA) allowing "closed shop"?

    I support closed shops if that is what the employer and employees agree to from their internal negotiations.

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    Re: Do you support (NLRA) allowing "closed shop"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    Im sure he did while the opprotunity was there. I believe he said he paid about $50 a month in dues. Unfortunatly the plant closed and moved to Mexico in the early 90's to combat rising labor costs.
    $50 in union due to make an extra $430 a month is a good deal. Not to mention the "money" from having better health benifits.
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    Re: Do you support (NLRA) allowing "closed shop"?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    As long as it's in the private sector, I have no problems with a closed shop. If people don't want to pay their union dues, they don't have to work at that particular company. Their compensation is paid by the free market.

    In the public sector? Absolutely no.
    in the private sector if the business owner wants a closed shop that should be his right

    same as if he decides to fire anyone who joins a union



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    Re: Do you support (NLRA) allowing "closed shop"?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    in the private sector if the business owner wants a closed shop that should be his right

    same as if he decides to fire anyone who joins a union
    Yup, a workforce would be stupid in attempting to unionize if they can't consolidate it quickly.

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    Re: Do you support (NLRA) allowing "closed shop"?

    Well I don't think anyone should be forced to do anything however businesses have the right to be union only.
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    Re: Do you support (NLRA) allowing "closed shop"?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Yup, a workforce would be stupid in attempting to unionize if they can't consolidate it quickly.
    the government shouldn't play favorites in this area. if the union can impose itself meaning the employer cannot obtain the needed amount of the commodity known as labor-then the union prevails. if the employer can-then the union should lose

    I oppose public sector unions because both sides are not bargaining from true interests. those bargaining with Pub Sec Unions often have a vested interest in the Union gaining an advantage. It would be like the president of Ford negotiating on behalf of GM with the Autoworkers.



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    Re: Do you support (NLRA) allowing "closed shop"?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the government shouldn't play favorites in this area. if the union can impose itself meaning the employer cannot obtain the needed amount of the commodity known as labor-then the union prevails. if the employer can-then the union should lose

    I oppose public sector unions because both sides are not bargaining from true interests. those bargaining with Pub Sec Unions often have a vested interest in the Union gaining an advantage. It would be like the president of Ford negotiating on behalf of GM with the Autoworkers.
    What real life evidence of this absurd claim do you have to present?

    In other threads some other people alleged the same thing. When pressed, they came up with nothing, zip, zero. they could not find one such case. Can you? It should be easy for a trained Ivy league attorney who knows how to use evidence to build a case.

    You do know how to do that..... don't you? Please show us you do by presenting examples from real life where public sector unions engaged in negotiations comparable to the president of Ford negotiating on the behalf of the UAW. This should be rich.

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