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    Re: Do you support (NLRA) allowing "closed shop"?

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    So whether the worker gets any personal benefits in their work as a result of the union or not is not of importance. They still have to pay.
    If they want to work at a place where the union and the employer signed a contract stating all workers are to be part of a union yes

    Not ALL jobs. Each job has different dangers and safety requirements. If I don't want to have rocks fall on my head, I shouldn't work in a mine, I should work in a restaurants, is what you seem to be saying. If there's a mine in town with compulsory union membership, if I don't want to join the union, I'll have to work elsewhere, isn't it?
    If the mine owner/operator signed a contract with the union stating all employees have to be part of the union yes.


    As for safety. Certain jobs are by nature more dangerous then othes, even with stringent safety regulations. A prison guard is more likely to be injured then a secretary. All the safety regulations in the world will not change that. If a person is unhappy with the danger that some jobs present, then they should look for a position elsewhere.
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    Re: Do you support (NLRA) allowing "closed shop"?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    As long as it's in the private sector, I have no problems with a closed shop. If people don't want to pay their union dues, they don't have to work at that particular company. Their compensation is paid by the free market.

    In the public sector? Absolutely no.
    Is there some reason an employer in private industry has to be compelled to hire only unionistas? What happened to his freedoms?

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    Re: Do you support (NLRA) allowing "closed shop"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    The employer made the choice to sign the contract with the union.
    You mean after they're denied the freedom to fire union organizers, forbidden to replace strikers, and forced to the negotiating table by the courts?

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    Re: Do you support (NLRA) allowing "closed shop"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    If they want to work at a place where the union and the employer signed a contract stating all workers are to be part of a union yes

    If the mine owner/operator signed a contract with the union stating all employees have to be part of the union yes.


    As for safety. Certain jobs are by nature more dangerous then othes, even with stringent safety regulations. A prison guard is more likely to be injured then a secretary. All the safety regulations in the world will not change that. If a person is unhappy with the danger that some jobs present, then they should look for a position elsewhere.

    So work safety regulation is superfluous?
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    Re: Do you support (NLRA) allowing "closed shop"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    You mean after they're denied the freedom to fire union organizers, forbidden to replace strikers, and forced to the negotiating table by the courts?

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    Union organizers may be from outside the company, I support hiring scab workers during strikes and lock outs
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    Re: Do you support (NLRA) allowing "closed shop"?

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    So work safety regulation is superfluous?
    Did I say that?
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    A company may fully comply with safety regulations and in fact may go far above them. It does not change the fact that certain positions are by nature more dangerous then others. You can add alot of safety procedures to the position to limit dangers, but they will still exist. A secretary is not likely to get jumped by a bunch of convicts, a prison guard has that chance. A cashier is unlikely to get swept overboard during storm at sea, a fisherman might

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    Re: Do you support (NLRA) allowing "closed shop"?

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    So work safety regulation is superfluous?
    Ever heard of OSHA? Unions aren't necessary for safety regulations.

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    Re: Do you support (NLRA) allowing "closed shop"?

    While I am against forcing people to join a union, I am for unionized jobs requiring employees to pay the fees (aka dues) paid by union members since those employees share the same privileges and protections of union members.

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    Re: Do you support (NLRA) allowing "closed shop"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Did I say that?
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    A company may fully comply with safety regulations and in fact may go far above them. It does not change the fact that certain positions are by nature more dangerous then others. You can add alot of safety procedures to the position to limit dangers, but they will still exist. A secretary is not likely to get jumped by a bunch of convicts, a prison guard has that chance. A cashier is unlikely to get swept overboard during storm at sea, a fisherman might
    That is the implication of what you're saying. Work safety regulations require money to put in place, to regulate and to prosecute where failures occur. You are saying people choose dangerous jobs, if they don't want to work in dangerous places, just don't work there. So why spend all these money putting them in place, when people can always go work somewhere else if they don't want the danger that comes with the job?
    Quote Originally Posted by Free_Radical View Post

    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

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    Re: Do you support (NLRA) allowing "closed shop"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Divine Wind View Post
    While I am against forcing people to join a union, I am for unionized jobs requiring employees to pay the fees (aka dues) paid by union members since those employees share the same privileges and protections of union members.
    This is not true. Not all union actions are unanimous. Some workers may find certain union actions to be against their interest.
    Quote Originally Posted by Free_Radical View Post

    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

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