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    Re: Do you support (NLRA) allowing "closed shop"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Unions dont have that power, people can work at non union places. They cant force you to work for Ford, you can go work for Toyota instead

    If you want to work at a union shop, you benifit from the union and you pay union dues
    I'm glad our economy is booming to the point people can just choose where they want to work.
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    Re: Do you support (NLRA) allowing "closed shop"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    So what you are saying is screw the guy who writes the paycheck. He can have the medicore employees and the exceptional ones can work elsewhere.
    Or he can put into the contract performance bonus`s to be paid to employees who do exceptional work
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    Re: Do you support (NLRA) allowing "closed shop"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Not necessarily. Why couldn't he negotiate his own wages and benefits?
    I belonged to shop that never unionized. We voted it down every time. One of our branches voted it in one year. They never ended up better off than we did, in fact it had the opposite effect. They went on strike and ended up with less than they were offered to begin with. We got a larger raise than they did. After several years, they still didn't have better wages or benefits than we did, yet they were paying dues.
    People should have the choice is all I'm saying.
    He certainly could try to negotiate his wages and benifits. He could threaten to withhold his labour as a means to pressure the company to increase wages and benifits and he could be shown the door with less disruption to the business then if the entire work force might withhold labour.

    And people do have a choice. Your personal example shows it

    Your shop is not unionized, another branch is. People were not forced to work at the other branch and could have left at any time
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    Re: Do you support (NLRA) allowing "closed shop"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I'm glad our economy is booming to the point people can just choose where they want to work.
    Are you being forced to work at the place you are at now, do you have no choice to leave and find other employement.


    I am always being told the jobs in the US are there if only the lazy people would get off their buts and look for them
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    Re: Do you support (NLRA) allowing "closed shop"?

    I have no problem with voluntary unions, but I am absolutely against any situation in which an employee is FORCED to join a union, just as I am against employers preventing workers from exercising their rights to voluntary unionize...
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    Re: Do you support (NLRA) allowing "closed shop"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Yes I do

    Given that any employee that is part of a union shop will benifit from the work of the union regarding labour contracts (wages and benifits) they should be expected to pay dues in order to pay for the representation the union provides
    Do all the employees "enjoy" any percieved benefits from all the union action though? Maybe the employee objects to the union policy, for example a teacher union wants to advocate for test score as a valuation criteria, a majority vote for it, but the minority see it as against its interest. Is it still okay to force people to pay the union as a condition of having a job?

    The person is not forced to join a union, he/she chooses to do so when they decide to accept a position at that place of employement (private or public).
    I completely reject this arguement. It applies to work place safety as well. A person is never forced to take on a dangerous job, s/he chooses to accept the danger when s/he decides to accept the job. It doesn't mean the existence of danger is alright when something can be done to eliminate it.
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    Re: Do you support (NLRA) allowing "closed shop"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Having to pay in order to get a job is idiotic in the extreme whether it is a private company or public.
    Its not, paying to secure a job, its paying to belong to a union. It would be wrong to have a free ride.
    If businessmen would treat the men better, if they would communicate WITH them, if they would respect the men, then there would be no need for unions..
    We do have a ways to go.
    Knowledge is part of the answer, and its a must on both sides.
    And, I think we are approaching the time without unions, ever so slowly.

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    Re: Do you support (NLRA) allowing "closed shop"?

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    Do all the employees "enjoy" any percieved benefits from all the union action though? Maybe the employee objects to the union policy, for example a teacher union wants to advocate for test score as a valuation criteria, a majority vote for it, but the minority see it as against its interest. Is it still okay to force people to pay the union as a condition of having a job?
    Of having job of course no, of having a job where the union and the company have signed a contract that requires all employees to be part of the union yes

    I completely reject this arguement. It applies to work place safety as well. A person is never forced to take on a dangerous job, s/he chooses to accept the danger when s/he decides to accept the job. It doesn't mean the existence of danger is alright when something can be done to eliminate it.
    Health and safety regulations are just that government regulations that are to apply to ALL jobs at any work site. The worker does not get a choice in that matter, legally nother does the employer. Of course certain jobs are more dangerous then others, and a worker generally accepts that increased risk when he/she takes the job.
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    Re: Do you support (NLRA) allowing "closed shop"?

    To no one's surprise, I do not believe that employees should be forced to join a union whether they want to or not. Rather, I believe that unions should be of sufficient worth to employees that they wish to join, and when said unions start imposing senority over merit rules and other actions that are detrimental to the work force as a whole, members should be allowed to withdraw.

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    Re: Do you support (NLRA) allowing "closed shop"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Of having job of course no, of having a job where the union and the company have signed a contract that requires all employees to be part of the union yes
    So whether the worker gets any personal benefits in their work as a result of the union or not is not of importance. They still have to pay.

    Health and safety regulations are just that government regulations that are to apply to ALL jobs at any work site. The worker does not get a choice in that matter, legally nother does the employer. Of course certain jobs are more dangerous then others, and a worker generally accepts that increased risk when he/she takes the job.
    Not ALL jobs. Each job has different dangers and safety requirements. If I don't want to have rocks fall on my head, I shouldn't work in a mine, I should work in a restaurants, is what you seem to be saying. If there's a mine in town with compulsory union membership, if I don't want to join the union, I'll have to work elsewhere, isn't it?
    Quote Originally Posted by Free_Radical View Post

    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

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