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    Re: Do you support (NLRA) allowing "closed shop"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Yes I do

    Given that any employee that is part of a union shop will benifit from the work of the union regarding labour contracts (wages and benifits) they should be expected to pay dues in order to pay for the representation the union provides

    The person is not forced to join a union, he/she chooses to do so when they decide to accept a position at that place of employement (private or public).
    Funny, the person who gets left out of these decisions is the employer. The Union has more power than the one who writes the paychecks.
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    Re: Do you support (NLRA) allowing "closed shop"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Funny, the person who gets left out of these decisions is the employer. The Union has more power than the one who writes the paychecks.
    The employer made the choice to sign the contract with the union.
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    Re: Do you support (NLRA) allowing "closed shop"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Darn unions forcing people to work for specific places rather then finding jobs at non union places.
    They shouldn't have that much power. They only negotiate what the wages will be, they don't write the paychecks. They shouldn't be able to force you to pay dues.
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    Re: Do you support (NLRA) allowing "closed shop"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    They shouldn't have that much power. They only negotiate what the wages will be, they don't write the paychecks. They shouldn't be able to force you to pay dues.
    Unions dont have that power, people can work at non union places. They cant force you to work for Ford, you can go work for Toyota instead

    If you want to work at a union shop, you benifit from the union and you pay union dues
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    Re: Do you support (NLRA) allowing "closed shop"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Unions dont have that power, people can work at non union places. They cant force you to work for Ford, you can go work for Toyota instead

    If you want to work at a private-sector union shop, you benifit from the union and you pay union dues
    You benefit as long as you are medicore. If you are exceptional, the union has nothing for you unless you're lucky enough to get promoted out of it.
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    Re: Do you support (NLRA) allowing "closed shop"?

    I know a guy who works at a large local theatre (the Washington Centre) that recently became unionized. He's had nothing but good things to say about it. He now has the opportunity to work gigs at other large places if they're understaffed and since they unionized the union has done some really nice stuff (like minimum working hour requirements for part time techies and the like) not to mention, the union helped him and his fellow workers get much better compensation.

    It helps immensely with employee bargaining power and he says he feels like he finally has a voice. Just my two cents.
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    Re: Do you support (NLRA) allowing "closed shop"?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    You benefit as long as you are medicore. If you are exceptional, the union has nothing for you unless you're lucky enough to get promoted out of it.
    If you are exceptional you can get promoted or find a better paying job somewhere else. No gun is being pointed at that persons head to remain at a union shop

    Overall the US obsession with unions is rather strange

    Unions today have far less power then they have had since the 50's yet people make them out to be some monsterous bogeeman responsible for the decline of the US (manufacturing generally. To which I would suggest taking a look at Germany. Where unions are far more powerfull, yet German manufacturing is still quite strong.
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    Re: Do you support (NLRA) allowing "closed shop"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Yes I do

    Given that any employee that is part of a union shop will benifit from the work of the union regarding labour contracts (wages and benifits) they should be expected to pay dues in order to pay for the representation the union providesThe person is not forced to join a union, he/she chooses to do so when they decide to accept a position at that place of employement (private or public).
    Not necessarily. Why couldn't he negotiate his own wages and benefits?
    I belonged to shop that never unionized. We voted it down every time. One of our branches voted it in one year. They never ended up better off than we did, in fact it had the opposite effect. They went on strike and ended up with less than they were offered to begin with. We got a larger raise than they did. After several years, they still didn't have better wages or benefits than we did, yet they were paying dues.
    People should have the choice is all I'm saying.
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    Re: Do you support (NLRA) allowing "closed shop"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    If you are exceptional you can get promoted or find a better paying job somewhere else. No gun is being pointed at that persons head to remain at a union shopOverall the US obsession with unions is rather strange

    Unions today have far less power then they have had since the 50's yet people make them out to be some monsterous bogeeman responsible for the decline of the US (manufacturing generally. To which I would suggest taking a look at Germany. Where unions are far more powerfull, yet German manufacturing is still quite strong.
    So what you are saying is screw the guy who writes the paycheck. He can have the medicore employees and the exceptional ones can work elsewhere.
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    Re: Do you support (NLRA) allowing "closed shop"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Unions dont have that power, people can work at non union places. They cant force you to work for Ford, you can go work for Toyota instead

    If you want to work at a union shop, you benifit from the union and you pay union dues
    In the US for now this may be true but it may not always be. I cannot remember off the top of my head now, but I read about some European country that was upwards of 80% union. This would severely hamper people who did not wish to be a part of a union to find employment. And a country with a all union workforce gains nothing and actually loses.

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