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Would radical Muslims leave the U.S. alone if....

If we completely left the Muslim countries, would they make peace with the U.S.?


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I've heard people say that radical Muslims are only angry at us because our soldiers are in the Middle East disrupting their countries.

Do you believe if we completely left all Muslim countries, the radical Muslims would make peace with the U.S. and not plan to terrorize us anymore (e.g. 9/11/2001)?
 
No, I don't think they would make peace with the US if we left the region. They us the US occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan as an excuse to hate America. If we leave they will find another excuse or focus more on other insane rhetoric. The conflict lies within them, and it must be resolved within them.
 
There'd definitely be a lesser propensity on the part of such individuals to commit violent acts, but I don't think the hardcore fundamentalists would leave us completely alone.
 
I think the hardcore fundamentalists would have less support, but I don't think they would ever leave us alone.
 
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No, I don't think they would make peace with the US if we left the region. They us the US occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan as an excuse to hate America. If we leave they will find another excuse or focus more on other insane rhetoric. The conflict lies within them, and it must be resolved within them.

No Muslims wanted to destroy America until 1948...

Just saying :shrug:
 
Nothing has worked with radical christians yet, so I don't know what would work with radical muslims.
 
No Muslims wanted to destroy America until 1948...

Just saying :shrug:
Do you think they dislike us because we support Israel?
Nothing has worked with radical christians yet, so I don't know what would work with radical muslims.
That's because there are no radical Christian theocracies that are bent on destroying another nation...
 
I've heard people say that radical Muslims are only angry at us because our soldiers are in the Middle East disrupting their countries.

Do you believe if we completely left all Muslim countries, the radical Muslims would make peace with the U.S. and not plan to terrorize us anymore (e.g. 9/11/2001)?

Are you asking if we just packed up and left would radical Muslims immediately leave us alone? No, there would still be the issue of our support of Israel which is a very hot button issue for many Muslims. Now if you include pulling all support for Israel and becomign neutral inthe conflict, that's a different question.

I'd still there would not be an immediate end to the anti-US rhetoric and feelings. Many radicals have been brainwashed by incessent propaganda and rhetoric to hate the US and our culture. And that won't go away overnight. And think there will always be a small sect of radicals in Islam who view Western society as decadent and evil and worthy of destruction. But those extremists would have a MUCH harder time bringing in new recruits if the general population didn't already have real political issues with US intervention and involvement in the region.

As someone else in this thread pointed out, there was no conflict between Islam and the U.S. prior to us becoming heavily involved in the politics of the region.
 
Nothing has worked with radical christians yet, so I don't know what would work with radical muslims.

They cannot compare since no radical Christian group that I know of is advocating killing thousands of people and saying they want to take over the government.
 
They cannot compare since no radical Christian group that I know of is advocating killing thousands of people and saying they want to take over the government.

Did you miss the terrorists arrested in Michigan who planned to kill cops and bomb their funerals? Guess what, they where a radical christian group. That is only one example. Christians and muslims are nothing but two religions with very similar beliefs and the same drawing of radicals.
 
Did you miss the terrorists arrested in Michigan who planned to kill cops and bomb their funerals? Guess what, they where a radical christian group. That is only one example. Christians and muslims are nothing but two religions with very similar beliefs and the same drawing of radicals.

Now there is a difference. Radical militant Christians are a tiny fringe group within the religion today. Radical militant Muslims have a large scale following and significant power and influence in sections of the Islamic world.
 
Now there is a difference. Radical militant Christians are a tiny fringe group within the religion today. Radical militant Muslims have a large scale following and significant power and influence in sections of the Islamic world.

And see, what I see is making excuses. Both religions attract a radical element. Both radical elements can be violent. Both try and demonize the other.
 
There will be radical fringes bent on violence in any group. Atheists, Christians, Muslims, etc. However, there are no radically led Christian theocracies that seek to destroy other nations or bring about the apocalypse. Even if America left the Islamic Middle Eastern nations would still have a problem with Israel and with the US supporting them. Even if the Israeli conflict is resolved as long as Israel exists there will be conflict between some Muslims who want to destroy it. And as long as Iran believes that Israel and America are the "great and little satan" then they will be our enemies. Recalling all troops and influence in the Middle East will not solve the anger and aggression that many nations in the region have against the US. We are not at fault for some of their aggression and hatred.
 
No. A radical will steadfastly believe in his position regardless of whether situations change or not. Radicals like this are not really interested in change. They are interested in destruction.
 
And see, what I see is making excuses. Both religions attract a radical element. Both radical elements can be violent. Both try and demonize the other.

Yes, both religions attract radicals. Almost all human movements, ideaologies, or religions can attract radicals and those radicals can be violent. But some movements minimize and marginalize those radicals. For example, politically botht he right and the left have a few extreme lunatic fringe groups that endorse violence to achieve their political goals. But both the mainstream left and the mainstream right have discredited and marginalized those fringe lunatics.

Islam has not done that. Militant, radical Islam is not a fringe movement today. It is a vocal and powerful force in the Islamic world.
 
No. The existing radicals will hate us regardless of what we do from this point onward. They already hate us. It ain't changing.

However, an interesting question would be whether or not such a tactic would lead to a decrease in the number of new radicals focused against the US in the future.
 
It would help but I don't think it would lead to peace.
 
Those who think radical Muslims are a group that can be assessed, haven't been paying attention to the news. AP and other news sources report that radical suicide Muslims in Iraq only did it as individuals, and we'll never really know who or why because their culture is completely different from ours.

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Did you miss the terrorists arrested in Michigan who planned to kill cops and bomb their funerals? Guess what, they where a radical christian group. That is only one example. Christians and muslims are nothing but two religions with very similar beliefs and the same drawing of radicals.

Redress is right, I think she is referring to the Hutaree militia. The truth is every religion has its crazies.
 
The animosity against the US comes directly from our intervention into the economic matters of other people. In supporting our economic interests we have successfully managed to piss of quite a few people while hiding under the rhetoric of peace and freedom. Remove that intervention and the overwhelming majority of the animosity disappears. Radical Muslims aren't the only ones with an axe to grind against the US. As somebody who has traveled to a few counties, I've realized in a lot of the countries that have a bad opinion of the US, we've intervened in favor of their oppressors. Cuba, Liberia, El Salvador, Guatemala, Ethiopia, these are just some of the countries where people really do not like the US and one can't blame radical Islam. The only difference is the fervor and the ability to express their rhetoric. Whereas the Middle East is simply flowing with a pretty healthy base of people willing to fund terrorism, South America simply does not have the social infrastructure to do this. The elites in these nations put wealth before religion so the attacks are directed towards them. Bogota, Colombia was known as the car bomb capital of the world only a few decades ago. The rich in these countries are constantly being kidnapped for their support of American economic policies.

In the end, radicalism in the Middle East boils down to US intervention in the political and economic matters of the region. Our support of the Sha of Iran, Saddam Hussein, Mubarak and various others dictators has made Middle Eastern youth fall back on religion because they are totally disenfranchised. Sadly, there is a political and economic elite which has been disenfranchised right along with them and are more than willing to fund terrorism.
 
There are a whole lot of different Muslims with completely different views, even among the radical community. You have a combination of governments, organized groups and random individuals. Governments like Iran are the most predictable. Iran didn't start directly shipping weapons to attack us until we invaded both their neighbors. They act in accordance with their nations interests. Then you have guys like Osama and various clerics who belong to organizations. They may have stated goals like getting rid of U.S. bases in Iraq, but often they simply promote radicalism for personal gain. Finally, you have the nutters who act alone and are completely unpredictable but typically incompetent.
 
I've heard people say that radical Muslims are only angry at us because our soldiers are in the Middle East disrupting their countries.

Do you believe if we completely left all Muslim countries, the radical Muslims would make peace with the U.S. and not plan to terrorize us anymore (e.g. 9/11/2001)?

There would be LESS trouble, yes. It is our foriegn policy that is the trouble. I don't suggest we change much, however. Instead it would help to know the problem. Knowing the problem, we could better plan to fight it. Lying that they hate or freedom, or that we're total victims is not only dishonest, but doesn't help us make the real arguments that need to be made.
 
I've heard people say that radical Muslims are only angry at us because our soldiers are in the Middle East disrupting their countries.

Do you believe if we completely left all Muslim countries, the radical Muslims would make peace with the U.S. and not plan to terrorize us anymore (e.g. 9/11/2001)?


Yes. This planet is somewhat eye for eye. In the middle east it seems to be the brother's or cousin's eye as well. Terrorists have repeatedly expressed foundations that it is foreign interference in Islamic lands and support for Israel-and empire that drives them to do what they do. You will of course end up with a few that say some territories are traditionally islamic lands, but these people arent as popular. Also take that our economic effect on them would also qualify as meddling.
 
No. A radical will steadfastly believe in his position regardless of whether situations change or not. Radicals like this are not really interested in change. They are interested in destruction.

These radicals are driven by goals. Our 'leaving' is one of them. There may be some radicals who have wider intentions but that's the brunt of the animosity towards the west.
 
The animosity against the US comes directly from our intervention into the economic matters of other people. In supporting our economic interests we have successfully managed to piss of quite a few people while hiding under the rhetoric of peace and freedom. Remove that intervention and the overwhelming majority of the animosity disappears. Radical Muslims aren't the only ones with an axe to grind against the US. As somebody who has traveled to a few counties, I've realized in a lot of the countries that have a bad opinion of the US, we've intervened in favor of their oppressors. Cuba, Liberia, El Salvador, Guatemala, Ethiopia, these are just some of the countries where people really do not like the US and one can't blame radical Islam. The only difference is the fervor and the ability to express their rhetoric. Whereas the Middle East is simply flowing with a pretty healthy base of people willing to fund terrorism, South America simply does not have the social infrastructure to do this. The elites in these nations put wealth before religion so the attacks are directed towards them. Bogota, Colombia was known as the car bomb capital of the world only a few decades ago. The rich in these countries are constantly being kidnapped for their support of American economic policies.

In the end, radicalism in the Middle East boils down to US intervention in the political and economic matters of the region. Our support of the Sha of Iran, Saddam Hussein, Mubarak and various others dictators has made Middle Eastern youth fall back on religion because they are totally disenfranchised. Sadly, there is a political and economic elite which has been disenfranchised right along with them and are more than willing to fund terrorism.

Why ARE you so reasonable?
 
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