View Poll Results: If we completely left the Muslim countries, would they make peace with the U.S.?

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    Re: Would radical Muslims leave the U.S. alone if....

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    of course not. but non intervention would have a major positive impact in recruitment efforts of current radical Muslims.
    I am confused by the apparent conflict between your position against non-intervention in the ME and your libertarian handle.
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    Re: Would radical Muslims leave the U.S. alone if....

    retracted, I misread.
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    Re: Would radical Muslims leave the U.S. alone if....

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I am confused by the apparent conflict between your position against non-intervention in the ME and your libertarian handle.
    we can't undue the damage we have done. the question was asked, will a change in our foreign policy be enough to make peace with those already radicalized.

    and the answer is no.

    but non-intervention is still the best long term course of action to take, because it will prevent them from growing their ranks as easily as they now do.

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    Re: Would radical Muslims leave the U.S. alone if....

    It would take more than just giving those countries their sovereignty to appease them. We would have to end our alliance with Israel including foreign aid. There are extremists who will go after us as long as we do not have Sharia Law. However, if we left Muslim countries alone, we probably would not be a top priority for them and I imagine they would have serious problems fighting amongst themselves. We just happen to be a common enemy at the moment.
    Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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    Re: Would radical Muslims leave the U.S. alone if....

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    we can't undue the damage we have done. the question was asked, will a change in our foreign policy be enough to make peace with those already radicalized.

    and the answer is no.

    but non-intervention is still the best long term course of action to take, because it will prevent them from growing their ranks as easily as they now do.
    I misunderstood you, my apologies.
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    Re: Would radical Muslims leave the U.S. alone if....

    Terrorists (and dictators for that matter) of any stripe all rely on a common element which is propaganda whether it be true or not. Our military in their countries and our cluster**** policy in their region makes recruiting people an easy task for them. Returning to a non-interventionist foreign policy and leaving these people to their own affairs makes their propaganda less and less believable for future recruitment.
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    Re: Would radical Muslims leave the U.S. alone if....

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    They've hated Australia since 1915.
    and now they hate Aussies even more for being part of the western alliance and their role in the war against terrorism. hence the Bali bombings where they killed 202 people including 88 Australians. worst single attack on Australian civilians ever.

    Amrozi and that smile, just pure evil. hard to erase that from your mind.
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    Re: Would radical Muslims leave the U.S. alone if....

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    and now they hate Aussies even more for being part of the western alliance and their role in the war against terrorism. hence the Bali bombings where they killed 202 people including 88 Australians. worst single attack on Australian civilians ever.

    Amrozi and that smile, just pure evil. hard to erase that from your mind.
    They also don't like Australia's support for largely-Catholic Timor Leste... radicals in JI would like northern tropical Australia to be a part of their Islamic superstate which would include Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, southern Philippines, southern Thailand, and Timor Leste...
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    Re: Would radical Muslims leave the U.S. alone if....

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    I've heard people say that radical Muslims are only angry at us because our soldiers are in the Middle East disrupting their countries.

    Do you believe if we completely left all Muslim countries, the radical Muslims would make peace with the U.S. and not plan to terrorize us anymore (e.g. 9/11/2001)?
    As Hatuey pointed out - it's more to do with US policies and how they are percieved there. I also think it's about what you do with those forces. Hence my feelings that Robert Gates and Obama are making a huge mistake mentioning the US forces available in Italy and nearer to Libya. Fine if you have them there and need them to go into action - but publicly mentioning them when many involved in the overthrow of Mubarak threw him out because he was a US stooge is not a clever thing.

    Any new Libyan govt should not look like the result of US intervention. To the question asked - no, you won't get peace if you remove your soldiers. That's not saying they should stay - what I think is that US policy is not going down well there and you have bridges to build if you wish to retain influence in the long term.

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    Re: Would radical Muslims leave the U.S. alone if....

    Firstly, I don't think "radical" muslims will ever "Make peace" with the U.S.

    Second, until we cease to support the right of Israel to exist (which, frankly, not doing so isn't "remaining neutral" in my mind) I don't think we're going to see them completely leaving us alone.

    Third, even if we did that, I think we'd still have random incidents but not nearly the frequency or scope that we would see otherwise.

    Fourth, the above situations wouldn't cause a significant increase in them "leaving us alone" for at least a few decades at this point imho. The animosity and views are deep inset. Us fully pulling out, and especially if we just stopped supporting Israel, would be a sign of weakness on our part and success on their part in their eyes. I think that would do little but actually fuel further attacks and issues for a decade or so before we'd start to see a significant down tick as lack of new blood angry at the U.S. is available.

    Fifth, I think that the primary reason they wouldn't look our way as much after that point is they'd be too busy fighting amongst themselves as is common of them. I think if there weren't as many sects that hated each other then non-muslims would become a more often target of the violence, but I'm not sure we'll get to that kind of point soon especially if we removed ourselves from the middle east.

    With that said however, it would still likely be harmful to us, as it'd likely have some interesting effects on the price of gas.

    Finally, I will point out that prior to 1948 we didn't exactly have a ton of interests in the Middle East nor were the majority of Middle Easterners equipped with the necessary technology to simply and easily plan and execute attacks on the West. While I'm sure the establishment of Israel significantly fueled that fire, I think the current situations would've still came about, if perhaps a bit less severe or quite as quick, as the ability to communicate and travel became easier.

    The better question perhaps would be if we had never been involved in the middle east would they leave us alone. But then, if that was the question, we'd have to look at all the ramifications of us not being involved in the middle east as well with regards to Israel, the spread of communism, and other such things and how those would've affected the world as well. However, since we HAVE been acting in the middle east, a full pull out of action of any kind there would result in my mind in the opposite of leaving us alone....a significant ramp up for a relatively short time period (decade or so) before it slowly beginning to tral off.

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