View Poll Results: If we completely left the Muslim countries, would they make peace with the U.S.?

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    Re: Would radical Muslims leave the U.S. alone if....

    Since islamic terror attacks started long before the US had a physical military presence in any muslim country, I think we can safely presume that if all of our troops were removed from the soil of every muslim nation immediately, the attacks would indeed continue.
    The U.S. first got involved in Iran in 1954 when it overthrew their government to install a friendly puppet who gave us access to oil. The hostage taking in 1979 happened 25 years later when people got fed up and had a revolution against said dictator. The only attack on American's by Muslims you can find before we got involved in middle eastern affairs was the Barbary pirates in 1801. One can argue the merit of leaving or not, but don't get the facts wrong.

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    Re: Would radical Muslims leave the U.S. alone if....

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Some people pretend this is something that has just happened in the past decade. It isn't. Terrorists from Muslim nations have been attacking the west, and the US in particular, since the 1970's. It's difficult to find such a list of purely Muslim attacks without using an obviously biased source such as The Religion of Peace or CDI. I found this on Information Please: Terrorist Attacks in the U.S. or Against Americans — Infoplease.com

    Since islamic terror attacks started long before the US had a physical military presence in any muslim country, I think we can safely presume that if all of our troops were removed from the soil of every muslim nation immediately, the attacks would indeed continue.
    That's horribly false.

    The U.S. and the Middle East - US-Mideast History since 1945

    Truman Administration, 1945-1952.

    American troops were stationed in Iran during World War II to help transfer military supplies to the Soviet Union and protect Iranian oil. British and Soviet troops were also on Iranian soil. After the war, Stalin withdrew his troops only when Harry Truman protested their continued presence through the United Nations, and possibly threatened to use force to boot them out.

    American duplicity in the Middle East was born: While opposing Soviet influence in Iran, Truman solidified America’s relationship with Mohammed Reza Shah Pahlavi, in power since 1941, and brought Turkey into the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), making it clear to the Soviet Union that the Middle East would be a cold war hot zone.

    Truman accepted the 1947 United Nations partition plan of Palestine, granting 57 percent of the land to Israel and 43 percent to Palestine, and personally lobbied for its success. The plan lost support from U.N. member nations, especially as hostilities between Jews and Palestinians multiplied in 1948, and Arabs lost more land or fled. Truman recognized the State of Israel 11 minutes after its creation, on May 14, 1948.
    Eisenhower Administration, 1953-1960

    Three major events marked Dwight Eisenhower’s Middle East policy. In 1953, Eisenhower ordered the CIA to depose Mohammed Mossadegh, the popular, elected leader of the Iranian parliament and an ardent nationalist who opposed British and American influence in Iran. The coup severely tarnished America’s reputation among Iranians, who lost trust in American claims of protecting democracy.

    In 1956, when Israel, Britain and France attacked Egypt when Egypt nationalized the Suez Canal, a furious Eisenhower not only refused to join the hostilities; he ended the war.

    Two years later, as nationalist forces roiled the Middle East and threatened to topple Lebanon’s Christian-led government, Eisenhower ordered the first landing of U.S. troops in Beirut to protect the regime. The deployment, lasting just three months, ended a brief civil war in Lebanon.
    Kennedy Administrations, 1961-1963

    John Kennedy was supposedly uninvolved in the Middle East. But as Warren Bass argued in “Support Any Friend: Kennedy's Middle East and the Making of the U.S.-Israel Alliance,” John Kennedy tried to develop a special relationship with Israel while diffusing the effects of his predecessors’ cold war policies regarding Arab regimes.

    Kennedy increased economic aid toward the region and worked to reduce its polarization between Soviet and American spheres. While the friendship with Israel was solidified during his tenure, Kennedy’s abbreviated administration, while briefly inspiring the Arab public, largely failed to mollify Arab leaders.

    The Johnson Administration, 1963-1968

    Lyndon Johnson was absorbed by his Great Society programs at home and the Vietnam War abroad. The Middle East burst back onto the American foreign-policy radar with the Six Day War of 1967, when Israel, after rising tension and threats from all sides, preempted what it characterized as an impending attack from Egypt, Syria and Jordan.

    Israel occupied the Gaza Strip, the Egyptian Sinai Peninsula, the West Bank and Syria’s Golan Heights. Israel threatened to go further. The Soviet Union threatened armed attack if it did. Johnson put the U.S. Navy’s Mediterranean Sixth Fleet on alert, but also compelled Israel to agree to a cease-fire on June 10, 1967.
    U.S. military intervention in the Middle East is not something that started up in the last few decades. It's only intensified in the last few decades. As I argued already, the majority of animosity in the Middle Eastern world does not actually stem from having a military presence there. That only intensifies it. It starts off mostly from our meddling in their affairs. The presence of our military there just helps them give some substance to their rhetoric.
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    Re: Would radical Muslims leave the U.S. alone if....

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Nothing has worked with radical christians yet, so I don't know what would work with radical muslims.
    The title of this thread is "If we completely left the Muslim countries, would they make peace with the U.S.?"

    Please explain which Christian countries the US is located in that the Radical Christians of said country are not at peace with the US?

    Or is this your attempt at a diversion to draw attention away from the subject at hand. Please stay on topic.
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    Re: Would radical Muslims leave the U.S. alone if....

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    And see, what I see is making excuses. Both religions attract a radical element. Both radical elements can be violent. Both try and demonize the other.
    What I see are your sophomoric attempts at drawing moral equivalency between two things that are wilddly different in terms of prevalence, as well as magnitude.


    Have you considered actually thinking about it instead of just indulging in this silly knee-jerk to toque apologetics?
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    Re: Would radical Muslims leave the U.S. alone if....

    Originally Posted by Redress
    And see, what I see is making excuses. Both religions attract a radical element. Both radical elements can be violent. Both try and demonize the other.
    There are "radical" everything. Are radical tree huggers taht commit terrorist actions and destroy bulldoze equipement also comparable to radical terrorist Muslims beheading people? If so, you got something... if not, then you ain't got nothin'.
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    Re: Would radical Muslims leave the U.S. alone if....

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    They've hated Australia since 1915.
    Oh great... what did y'all do?

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    Re: Would radical Muslims leave the U.S. alone if....

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Oh great... what did y'all do?
    Stopped a guy from opening a kebab shop, and fought against the Ottoman Empire in WW1.

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    Re: Would radical Muslims leave the U.S. alone if....

    I voted other and can explain my position best with an analogy. If you don't poke a stick into a beehive are you more or less likely to get stung? Yeah, you may get an occasional bee sting if you don't poke the hive, but your chances of getting stung are much less if you don't poke it.
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    Re: Would radical Muslims leave the U.S. alone if....

    of course not. but non intervention would have a major positive impact in recruitment efforts of current radical Muslims.

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    Re: Would radical Muslims leave the U.S. alone if....

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    of course not. but non intervention would have a major positive impact in recruitment efforts of current radical Muslims.
    How??????????????

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