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    Re: Would radical Muslims leave the U.S. alone if....

    There are a whole lot of different Muslims with completely different views, even among the radical community. You have a combination of governments, organized groups and random individuals. Governments like Iran are the most predictable. Iran didn't start directly shipping weapons to attack us until we invaded both their neighbors. They act in accordance with their nations interests. Then you have guys like Osama and various clerics who belong to organizations. They may have stated goals like getting rid of U.S. bases in Iraq, but often they simply promote radicalism for personal gain. Finally, you have the nutters who act alone and are completely unpredictable but typically incompetent.

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    Re: Would radical Muslims leave the U.S. alone if....

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    I've heard people say that radical Muslims are only angry at us because our soldiers are in the Middle East disrupting their countries.

    Do you believe if we completely left all Muslim countries, the radical Muslims would make peace with the U.S. and not plan to terrorize us anymore (e.g. 9/11/2001)?
    There would be LESS trouble, yes. It is our foriegn policy that is the trouble. I don't suggest we change much, however. Instead it would help to know the problem. Knowing the problem, we could better plan to fight it. Lying that they hate or freedom, or that we're total victims is not only dishonest, but doesn't help us make the real arguments that need to be made.

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    Re: Would radical Muslims leave the U.S. alone if....

    Quote Originally Posted by Mellie View Post
    I've heard people say that radical Muslims are only angry at us because our soldiers are in the Middle East disrupting their countries.

    Do you believe if we completely left all Muslim countries, the radical Muslims would make peace with the U.S. and not plan to terrorize us anymore (e.g. 9/11/2001)?

    Yes. This planet is somewhat eye for eye. In the middle east it seems to be the brother's or cousin's eye as well. Terrorists have repeatedly expressed foundations that it is foreign interference in Islamic lands and support for Israel-and empire that drives them to do what they do. You will of course end up with a few that say some territories are traditionally islamic lands, but these people arent as popular. Also take that our economic effect on them would also qualify as meddling.

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    Re: Would radical Muslims leave the U.S. alone if....

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    No. A radical will steadfastly believe in his position regardless of whether situations change or not. Radicals like this are not really interested in change. They are interested in destruction.
    These radicals are driven by goals. Our 'leaving' is one of them. There may be some radicals who have wider intentions but that's the brunt of the animosity towards the west.

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    Re: Would radical Muslims leave the U.S. alone if....

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The animosity against the US comes directly from our intervention into the economic matters of other people. In supporting our economic interests we have successfully managed to piss of quite a few people while hiding under the rhetoric of peace and freedom. Remove that intervention and the overwhelming majority of the animosity disappears. Radical Muslims aren't the only ones with an axe to grind against the US. As somebody who has traveled to a few counties, I've realized in a lot of the countries that have a bad opinion of the US, we've intervened in favor of their oppressors. Cuba, Liberia, El Salvador, Guatemala, Ethiopia, these are just some of the countries where people really do not like the US and one can't blame radical Islam. The only difference is the fervor and the ability to express their rhetoric. Whereas the Middle East is simply flowing with a pretty healthy base of people willing to fund terrorism, South America simply does not have the social infrastructure to do this. The elites in these nations put wealth before religion so the attacks are directed towards them. Bogota, Colombia was known as the car bomb capital of the world only a few decades ago. The rich in these countries are constantly being kidnapped for their support of American economic policies.

    In the end, radicalism in the Middle East boils down to US intervention in the political and economic matters of the region. Our support of the Sha of Iran, Saddam Hussein, Mubarak and various others dictators has made Middle Eastern youth fall back on religion because they are totally disenfranchised. Sadly, there is a political and economic elite which has been disenfranchised right along with them and are more than willing to fund terrorism.
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    Re: Would radical Muslims leave the U.S. alone if....

    Some people pretend this is something that has just happened in the past decade. It isn't. Terrorists from Muslim nations have been attacking the west, and the US in particular, since the 1970's. It's difficult to find such a list of purely Muslim attacks without using an obviously biased source such as The Religion of Peace or CDI. I found this on Information Please: Terrorist Attacks in the U.S. or Against Americans — Infoplease.com

    1979
    Nov. 4, Tehran, Iran: Iranian radical students seized the U.S. embassy, taking 66 hostages. 14 were later released. The remaining 52 were freed after 444 days on the day of President Reagan's inauguration.
    1982–1991
    Lebanon: Thirty US and other Western hostages kidnapped in Lebanon by Hezbollah. Some were killed, some died in captivity, and some were eventually released. Terry Anderson was held for 2,454 days.
    1983
    April 18, Beirut, Lebanon: U.S. embassy destroyed in suicide car-bomb attack; 63 dead, including 17 Americans. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility.
    Oct. 23, Beirut, Lebanon: Shiite suicide bombers exploded truck near U.S. military barracks at Beirut airport, killing 241 marines. Minutes later a second bomb killed 58 French paratroopers in their barracks in West Beirut.
    Dec. 12, Kuwait City, Kuwait: Shiite truck bombers attacked the U.S. embassy and other targets, killing 5 and injuring 80.
    1984
    Sept. 20, east Beirut, Lebanon: truck bomb exploded outside the U.S. embassy annex, killing 24, including 2 U.S. military.
    Dec. 3, Beirut, Lebanon: Kuwait Airways Flight 221, from Kuwait to Pakistan, hijacked and diverted to Tehran. 2 Americans killed.
    1985
    April 12, Madrid, Spain: Bombing at restaurant frequented by U.S. soldiers, killed 18 Spaniards and injured 82.
    June 14, Beirut, Lebanon: TWA Flight 847 en route from Athens to Rome hijacked to Beirut by Hezbollah terrorists and held for 17 days. A U.S. Navy diver executed.
    Oct. 7, Mediterranean Sea: gunmen attack Italian cruise ship, Achille Lauro. One U.S. tourist killed. Hijacking linked to Libya.
    Dec. 18, Rome, Italy, and Vienna, Austria: airports in Rome and Vienna were bombed, killing 20 people, 5 of whom were Americans. Bombing linked to Libya.
    1986
    April 2, Athens, Greece:A bomb exploded aboard TWA flight 840 en route from Rome to Athens, killing 4 Americans and injuring 9.
    April 5, West Berlin, Germany: Libyans bombed a disco frequented by U.S. servicemen, killing 2 and injuring hundreds.
    1988
    Dec. 21, Lockerbie, Scotland: N.Y.-bound Pan-Am Boeing 747 exploded in flight from a terrorist bomb and crashed into Scottish village, killing all 259 aboard and 11 on the ground. Passengers included 35 Syracuse University students and many U.S. military personnel. Libya formally admitted responsibility 15 years later (Aug. 2003) and offered $2.7 billion compensation to victims' families.
    1993
    Feb. 26, New York City: bomb exploded in basement garage of World Trade Center, killing 6 and injuring at least 1,040 others. In 1995, militant Islamist Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman and 9 others were convicted of conspiracy charges, and in 1998, Ramzi Yousef, believed to have been the mastermind, was convicted of the bombing. Al-Qaeda involvement is suspected.
    1995
    April 19, Oklahoma City: car bomb exploded outside federal office building, collapsing wall and floors. 168 people were killed, including 19 children and 1 person who died in rescue effort. Over 220 buildings sustained damage. Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols later convicted in the antigovernment plot to avenge the Branch Davidian standoff in Waco, Tex., exactly 2 years earlier. (See Miscellaneous Disasters.)
    Nov. 13, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: car bomb exploded at U.S. military headquarters, killing 5 U.S. military servicemen.
    1996
    June 25, Dhahran, Saudi Arabia: truck bomb exploded outside Khobar Towers military complex, killing 19 American servicemen and injuring hundreds of others. 13 Saudis and a Lebanese, all alleged members of Islamic militant group Hezbollah, were indicted on charges relating to the attack in June 2001.
    1998
    Aug. 7, Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania: truck bombs exploded almost simultaneously near 2 U.S. embassies, killing 224 (213 in Kenya and 11 in Tanzania) and injuring about 4,500. 4 men connected with al-Qaeda 2 of whom had received training at al-Qaeda camps inside Afghanistan, were convicted of the killings in May 2001 and later sentenced to life in prison. A federal grand jury had indicted 22 men in connection with the attacks, including Saudi dissident Osama bin Laden, who remained at large.
    2000
    Oct. 12, Aden, Yemen: U.S. Navy destroyer USS Cole heavily damaged when a small boat loaded with explosives blew up alongside it. 17 sailors killed. Linked to Osama bin Laden, or members of al-Qaeda terrorist network.
    2001
    Sept. 11, New York City, Arlington, Va., and Shanksville, Pa.: hijackers crashed 2 commercial jets into twin towers of World Trade Center; 2 more hijacked jets were crashed into the Pentagon and a field in rural Pa. Total dead and missing numbered 2,9921: 2,749 in New York City, 184 at the Pentagon, 40 in Pa., and 19 hijackers. Islamic al-Qaeda terrorist group blamed. (See September 11, 2001: Timeline of Terrorism.)
    2002
    June 14, Karachi, Pakistan: bomb explodes outside American consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, killing 12. Linked to al-Qaeda.
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    May 12, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: suicide bombers kill 34, including 8 Americans, at housing compounds for Westerners. Al-Qaeda suspected.
    2004
    May 29–31, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: terrorists attack the offices of a Saudi oil company in Khobar, Saudi Arabia, take foreign oil workers hostage in a nearby residential compound, leaving 22 people dead including one American.
    June 11–19, Riyadh, Saudi Arabia: terrorists kidnap and execute Paul Johnson Jr., an American, in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. 2 other Americans and BBC cameraman killed by gun attacks.
    Dec. 6, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia: terrorists storm the U.S. consulate, killing 5 consulate employees. 4 terrorists were killed by Saudi security.
    2005
    Nov. 9, Amman, Jordan: suicide bombers hit 3 American hotels, Radisson, Grand Hyatt, and Days Inn, in Amman, Jordan, killing 57. Al-Qaeda claimed responsibility.
    2006
    Sept. 13, Damascus, Syria: an attack by four gunman on the American embassy is foiled.
    2007
    Jan. 12, Athens, Greece: the U.S. embassy is fired on by an anti-tank missile causing damage but no injuries.
    Dec. 11, Algeria: more than 60 people are killed, including 11 United Nations staff members, when Al Qaeda terrorists detonate two car bombs near Algeria's Constitutional Council and the United Nations offices.
    2008
    May 26, Iraq: a suicide bomber on a motorcycle kills six U.S. soldiers and wounds 18 others in Tarmiya.
    June 24, Iraq: a suicide bomber kills at least 20 people, including three U.S. Marines, at a meeting between sheiks and Americans in Karmah, a town west of Baghdad.
    June 12, Afghanistan: four American servicemen are killed when a roadside bomb explodes near a U.S. military vehicle in Farah Province.
    July 13, Afghanistan: nine U.S.soldiers and at least 15 NATO troops die when Taliban militants boldly attack an American base in Kunar Province, which borders Pakistan. It's the most deadly against U.S. troops in three years.
    Aug. 18 and 19, Afghanistan: as many as 15 suicide bombers backed by about 30 militants attack a U.S. military base, Camp Salerno, in Bamiyan. Fighting between U.S. troops and members of the Taliban rages overnight. No U.S. troops are killed.
    Sept. 16, Yemen: a car bomb and a rocket strike the U.S. embassy in Yemen as staff arrived to work, killing 16 people, including 4 civilians. At least 25 suspected al-Qaeda militants are arrested for the attack.
    Nov. 26, India: in a series of attacks on several of Mumbai's landmarks and commercial hubs that are popular with Americans and other foreign tourists, including at least two five-star hotels, a hospital, a train station, and a cinema. About 300 people are wounded and nearly 190 people die, including at least 5 Americans.
    2009
    Feb. 9, Iraq: a suicide bomber kills four American soldiers and their Iraqi translator near a police checkpoint.
    April 10, Iraq: a suicide attack kills five American soldiers and two Iraqi policemen.
    June 1, Little Rock, Arkansas: Abdulhakim Muhammed, a Muslim convert from Memphis, Tennessee, is charged with shooting two soldiers outside a military recruiting center. One is killed and the other is wounded. In a January 2010 letter to the judge hearing his case, Muhammed asked to change his plea from not guilty to guilty, claimed ties to al-Qaeda, and called the shooting a jihadi attack "to fight those who wage war on Islam and Muslims."
    Dec. 25: A Nigerian man on a flight from Amsterdam to Detroit attempted to ignite an explosive device hidden in his underwear. The explosive device that failed to detonate was a mixture of powder and liquid that did not alert security personnel in the airport. The alleged bomber, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, told officials later that he was directed by the terrorist group Al Qaeda. The suspect was already on the government's watch list when he attempted the bombing; his father, a respected Nigerian banker, had told the U.S. government that he was worried about his son's increased extremism.
    Dec. 30, Iraq: a suicide bomber kills eight Americans civilians, seven of them CIA agents, at a base in Afghanistan. It's the deadliest attack on the agency since 9/11. The attacker is reportedly a double agent from Jordan who was acting on behalf of al-Qaeda.
    2010
    May 2, New York City: After discovering a bomb in a smoking vehicle parked in Times Square, authorities arrest Faisal Shahzad, a Pakistani who recently became a naturalized U.S. citizen, and charge him with attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction and several other federal charges. American officials later announce that the Pakistani Taliban likely played a role in the bomb plot, including training Shahzad.
    Since islamic terror attacks started long before the US had a physical military presence in any muslim country, I think we can safely presume that if all of our troops were removed from the soil of every muslim nation immediately, the attacks would indeed continue.

    Muslims are not homogeneous. They are angry at us for different reasons. Iran was pissed about our support for the Shah... and Iraq. Libya was pissed at us because he's an effing lunatic, as we now see. A lot of the ME is pissed at us because we won't let them wipe out Israel. Iraq and Afghanistan are mad at us because we invaded and occupied their countries... duh.

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    Re: Would radical Muslims leave the U.S. alone if....

    Possible/Likely

    They have a set of political conditions that contribute to it. Russia had thousands of attacks in the 17-1800s for example.

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    Re: Would radical Muslims leave the U.S. alone if....

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Did you miss the terrorists arrested in Michigan who planned to kill cops and bomb their funerals? Guess what, they where a radical christian group. That is only one example. Christians and muslims are nothing but two religions with very similar beliefs and the same drawing of radicals.
    When the radical Christians are involved in 16 of the 20 major world's conflicts, or whatever it is, like the radical Muslims are, then I will give your argument a second thought.
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    Re: Would radical Muslims leave the U.S. alone if....

    Yes, in the west we have the advantage of governments that assume secularism, though the proponents of their wars... are likely christian by culture or faith, and also radical.

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    Re: Would radical Muslims leave the U.S. alone if....

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    No Muslims wanted to destroy America until 1948...

    Just saying
    They've hated Australia since 1915.
    So follow me into the desert
    As desperate as you are
    Where the moon is glued to a picture of heaven
    And all the little pigs have God

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