View Poll Results: Should the work week be reduced?

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  • The work week should be increased to more than 40 hours, or eliminated

    19 37.25%
  • The work week should remain at 40 hours

    20 39.22%
  • The work week should be reduced to 36-39 hours

    3 5.88%
  • The work week should be reduced to 32-35 hours

    6 11.76%
  • The work week should be reduced to less than 32 hours

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Thread: Shortening the work week?

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    Re: Shortening the work week?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    You need a union then.. no extra pay for overtime.. tsk!
    That's what it means to be paid salary. Salary means there's no hours connected to it, which may seem like a sweet deal till you realize it's because you're expected to work a hell of a lot more than 40 hours a week. I put in on average 60+. We get paid salary because the University couldn't afford to pay us hourly, not if we honestly reported our hours. In fact, that's the way it is in my field just about everywhere. Even places which try to get you to not work as much. Lazy jerks, hard work should never be considered a bad thing.
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    Re: Shortening the work week?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's called being an adult, this is what happens. 2-3 weeks is probably all you need off for vacation a year. Otherwise, get back to work.
    oh bs. that's what people are USED to, period. in the u.s. being an adult has nothing to do with how much vacation you want or need.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Shortening the work week?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Only they did. America was a third world country even by that day's standards. Incredibly high rates of disease. Unhygienic living conditions. High rates of infant mortality. No, no, I beg to differ. Americans were starving in the 1910s and lived like a 3rd world country. Quit revising history. Here is how the average American lived during the 1910s:

    I know a believer in the cult of Free Market Libertarianism would never admit that things really weren't better 'back in the day' but history is amazing in that it can show just how horribly people lived even 100 years ago.
    I see a 50% rise in real wages in just 30 years.



    Take a look at this website, it's very enlightening.

    A History of the Standard of Living in the United States | Economic History Services

    GDP per capita was growing at a robust rate between 1870 and 1913. Average heights were increasing (which would mean that food consumption was on the rise). In 1820, the US had an average GDP per capita, trailing Belgium, Denmark, Switzerland. We were way behind the UK and the Netherlands (the leader). By 1870 that was roughly the same (probably the Mexican-American War and especially the Civil War held us back). By 1913, though, we had shot up and lead the world. There was tremendous growth from the late 1800s to the early 1900s.

    So I'll wait for some real data from you, not just pictures that shock our modern sensibilities and your opinions that you really just drew out of thin air, but data that puts life back then into proper perspective (that is, comparing to living conditions around the world back then and how much better that time period was to before then, any analysis comparing living conditions then to now is just disingenuous as the same case could be made anywhere around the world, of course we're better off now, so what, you need to look at what people were coming from to see how things were improving).

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    Re: Shortening the work week?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    oh bs. that's what people are USED to, period. in the u.s. being an adult has nothing to do with how much vacation you want or need.
    Yes it does. When you grow up, you have real world responsibilities. You have to work for a living. Why should you get paid for not working? It's great that employeres have some amount of paid vacation, but they don't need to put it in there. You're getting paid to not work, that's a pretty damned sweet deal. But it's not something you can have all the time, else you don't get any work done. Don't be lazy and get back to work.

    Jesus, I think what some of y'all need is a few years on the farm to teach you about work ethic.
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    Re: Shortening the work week?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    oh bs. that's what people are USED to, period. in the u.s. being an adult has nothing to do with how much vacation you want or need.
    And you know what's best for people rather than people themselves knowing what's best for them, right?

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    Re: Shortening the work week?

    Time enough for rest and relaxation when I'm retired (or dead).

    That's right about farms. Without our modern inventions people use to work sun up to sun down, alongside their entire family. A 40 hour work-week is trivial for many modern professions. Anyone under 35 not working >40 hours is limiting their career investment. Career investment compounds over time just like retirement investments. Invest as much as you can as early as you can..it pays off.
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    Re: Shortening the work week?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's called being an adult, this is what happens. 2-3 weeks is probably all you need off for vacation a year. Otherwise, get back to work.
    I thought most places gave vacation time based on how long you had been there. Seems the fair way to do it. I think I was getting about 4 wks at 10yrs.
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    Re: Shortening the work week?

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Spoken like someone who has never had to work hard for anything. It shows through. You've never been the struggling working class you accuse me of being. Either that or you are exactly the kind of boss I am talking about. Either way, sorry to step on your toes, your heiness.
    I have been self-employed for 20 years. I routinely work a bare minimum of 60 hours/week and when deadlines are calling try 12 hours a day 7 days a week, much to my wife's chagrin. Everybody wants my life, they just don't want to do the hard work.

    Stop acting like anyone owes you anything. Also, FYI, I take a week vacation about every two years.

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    Re: Shortening the work week?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yes it does. When you grow up, you have real world responsibilities. You have to work for a living. Why should you get paid for not working? It's great that employeres have some amount of paid vacation, but they don't need to put it in there. You're getting paid to not work, that's a pretty damned sweet deal. But it's not something you can have all the time, else you don't get any work done. Don't be lazy and get back to work.

    Jesus, I think what some of y'all need is a few years on the farm to teach you about work ethic.
    real world responsbilities don't have to mean killing yourself for 50 years then retiring and dropping dead.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Shortening the work week?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    real world responsbilities don't have to mean killing yourself for 50 years then retiring and dropping dead.
    Nope, but working 40+ hours a week with a few weeks of vacation days every year ain't gonna do that. For Christ's sake, is this what's happening to our country? People can't even work now because "they're going to drop dead" from work. No wonder things are falling off the map. We used to sit around and do things for ourselves. We could work hard, have the time to relax and enjoy life. But now it seems like people want to demand the college student life style through out the whole of their adult lives. My grandma still managed her farm well into her twilight years, worked hard even then, she didn't drop dead of work. Hell I worked that same farm for a good hunk of my youth. It's what made me hate dairy farming. Not dead yet. I put in over 60 hours a week, not dead yet.

    I think it's high time we pull ourselves up by the bootstraps, quit bitching about this and that, and get back to work. It's time to do something instead of sitting around on our fat asses demanding stuff. America had a little mid-life crisis, we got reckless with our money, shrugged off our responsibilities, and lived like there was no tomorrow trying to live it up. It was great, it was fun; it's time to get over it. Get back to work.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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