View Poll Results: Should the work week be reduced?

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  • The work week should be increased to more than 40 hours, or eliminated

    19 37.25%
  • The work week should remain at 40 hours

    20 39.22%
  • The work week should be reduced to 36-39 hours

    3 5.88%
  • The work week should be reduced to 32-35 hours

    6 11.76%
  • The work week should be reduced to less than 32 hours

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    Re: Shortening the work week?

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    The above is an example of American corporate culture. Just saying.

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    Working class hero drivel. You want to know why there are so few bosses and so many churls? Look in the mirror.

    Run a business and then come back and chat with the adults. Just saying.

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    Re: Shortening the work week?

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    The above is an example of American corporate culture. Just saying.

    Business execs that have full staff take more time off than anyone because they have managers who run the place when they're not there. If there's an expense account, most "business trips" are combined with leisure... eating out, golfing, travelling to distant places, etc.

    It's the lower level workers that are given no breathing room. And yes they should get paid vacation time. That is the whole damn point. They work all year for you and you show them some appreciation. It improves employee trust and makes them more dedicated to helping you run your business.

    If you're a slave driver, people will cut corners in any way they can because they are either tired or they don't feel you care about them, so they in turn don't care about your business. American style companies are all about efficiency policies and monitoring employee activities to ensure maximum efficiency. There is no trust involved. Not in all companies, but a hell of a lot.


    Ya know... I hate to admit it but you're not far wrong.

    My employer was bought out by a national-size corporation about four years ago. Since then paperwork has quadrupled; the proliferation of petty little rules about a gazillion insignificant issues have snowballed; electronic spying devices have been installed to keep track of all employee activities, and the slightest deviation from schedule brings down the wrath of Thor before they even check to see if it was actually justified or necessary. They give us zero trust. You can be a 1st rate worker who is NEVER in trouble, and if you put one foot wrong you get ZERO slack despite a sterling work record.

    In short, they treat us like they hate us, and frankly we hate them right back. They cut corners, they're stingy with the pay and raises, they expect us to perform 2x work with half-ass equipment and inadequate admin support, and it sucks.

    I'd like to go work somewhere else but the economy is bad, and from what I hear from other people this isn't just my employer, it's a common trend.


    (BTW, I have run a business. Two of them. One I owned; I got squeezed out of biz by the big franchises. The other I was a manger and gave it up because my employer wanted me to be dishonest.)
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    Re: Shortening the work week?

    Let see if I can get this straight in my mind, you suggest lowering the work week so more people can be employed, knowing full well, this goes with only the middle class on down?
    Problem with what you are saying is the simple math of it. Lets say you go to the lowest end of your reduction 32 hour work weeks.

    In very simple math you are going to cut the wages of 4 families, to increase the wages of one.

    I'm going to use far better wages then the rest here, lets say people working are making $20 per hour, or $800 per week, now those four families are cut back 8 hours, they are now making $640 a week.

    You've just cut the wages of 4 families, 20% to give one family a job paying $640 a week.
    I”m sorry, I just don't see the economics of pulling down 4 families to help one. Putting that same amount of effort into creating jobs, would be a much better idea.

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    Re: Shortening the work week?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Gein View Post
    Working class hero drivel. You want to know why there are so few bosses and so many churls? Look in the mirror.

    Run a business and then come back and chat with the adults. Just saying.
    Spoken like someone who has never had to work hard for anything. It shows through. You've never been the struggling working class you accuse me of being. Either that or you are exactly the kind of boss I am talking about. Either way, sorry to step on your toes, your heiness.

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    Re: Shortening the work week?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Shortening the work week?
    I say leave it as it is. Shortening the work week will mean that many Americans will have to find more jobs,not more Americans can find jobs.
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    Re: Shortening the work week?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Ya know... I hate to admit it but you're not far wrong.

    My employer was bought out by a national-size corporation about four years ago. Since then paperwork has quadrupled; the proliferation of petty little rules about a gazillion insignificant issues have snowballed; electronic spying devices have been installed to keep track of all employee activities, and the slightest deviation from schedule brings down the wrath of Thor before they even check to see if it was actually justified or necessary. They give us zero trust. You can be a 1st rate worker who is NEVER in trouble, and if you put one foot wrong you get ZERO slack despite a sterling work record.

    In short, they treat us like they hate us, and frankly we hate them right back. They cut corners, they're stingy with the pay and raises, they expect us to perform 2x work with half-ass equipment and inadequate admin support, and it sucks.

    I'd like to go work somewhere else but the economy is bad, and from what I hear from other people this isn't just my employer, it's a common trend.


    (BTW, I have run a business. Two of them. One I owned; I got squeezed out of biz by the big franchises. The other I was a manger and gave it up because my employer wanted me to be dishonest.)
    This is true at my wife's job. The company was once privately owned and offered a lot of nice perks and bonuses. Nothing really expensive, but things that made for a nice work enviroment: production or performance contests that gave some recognition and reward to top performers, usually one a month every department would have an extended lunch for some sort of party or social event, generous bonuses at Christmas, a few big company parties every year. The company had a very good retention rate and many long term workers.

    Then they went corporate. All the little perks were gradually cut back and eliminated. Merit raises no longer exist, now you get a bare bones cost of living raise no matter how good or poor your performance is. The company has put in place more "policies" that regulate some of the stupidest and most minute details of the day. Salaried workers are expected to put more and more time in for no additional compensation.

    And what's the result? The turn over rate is much higher, meaning the comany has to spend additional dollars training the new hires that are constantly replacing the ones who leave. And those new, raw employees are not nearly as efficient at getting work done as the people they are replacing. Plus many of the workers who are there now have a much lower morale and avoid doing anything extra or above and beyond because they know two things. One, they won't be rewarded in any fashion for their extra effort. Two, the company will start to expect teh extra effort and make it part of their jobs without adding compensation for the additonal responsibilities. People cut corners and do the minimum because they feel the company is the enemy. Where as before the company had a real family feel and many of the employees were very dedicated.

    If you treat your employees like crap, the best you can expect is a minimal effort. Too many companies, especailly corporate ones, lose sight of this very basic fact.
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    Re: Shortening the work week?

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    This is true at my wife's job. The company was once privately owned and offered a lot of nice perks and bonuses. Nothing really expensive, but things that made for a nice work enviroment: production or performance contests that gave some recognition and reward to top performers, usually one a month every department would have an extended lunch for some sort of party or social event, generous bonuses at Christmas, a few big company parties every year. The company had a very good retention rate and many long term workers.

    Then they went corporate. All the little perks were gradually cut back and eliminated. Merit raises no longer exist, now you get a bare bones cost of living raise no matter how good or poor your performance is. The company has put in place more "policies" that regulate some of the stupidest and most minute details of the day. Salaried workers are expected to put more and more time in for no additional compensation.

    And what's the result? The turn over rate is much higher, meaning the company has to spend additional dollars training the new hires that are constantly replacing the ones who leave. And those new, raw employees are not nearly as efficient at getting work done as the people they are replacing. Plus many of the workers who are there now have a much lower morale and avoid doing anything extra or above and beyond because they know two things. One, they won't be rewarded in any fashion for their extra effort. Two, the company will start to expect teh extra effort and make it part of their jobs without adding compensation for the additional responsibilities. People cut corners and do the minimum because they feel the company is the enemy. Where as before the company had a real family feel and many of the employees were very dedicated.

    If you treat your employees like crap, the best you can expect is a minimal effort. Too many companies, especially corporate ones, lose sight of this very basic fact.
    To summarize, the ones running the company are hiding in their ivory towers, detached from the company itself. All they know is what is written in the daily reports.
    Treating men as men, handling people is an unknown; workers are machines...
    sad, and this happens all too often.
    And, until these powers that are have a major attitude change, they cannot learn nor improve.
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    Re: Shortening the work week?

    The only time I had a work week shorter than 40 hours is when I was getting paid for 24, but I was working about 60, at times sleeping on the floor because it was too late to drive home. I was smart though, I re-negotiated for 40 plus OT. A couple of paychecks got their attention. The result was: If I didnít improve my attitude they would fire me. I got to finish my BS.
    All my subsequent jobs were 40 hours/week but salaried no OT; which required about 50 hours a week average.
    My guess is that 50 to 60 hrs/week is the lowest cost for the employer. SoÖ.

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    Re: Shortening the work week?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Barbarian View Post
    Let see if I can get this straight in my mind, you suggest lowering the work week so more people can be employed, knowing full well, this goes with only the middle class on down?
    Problem with what you are saying is the simple math of it. Lets say you go to the lowest end of your reduction 32 hour work weeks.

    In very simple math you are going to cut the wages of 4 families, to increase the wages of one.

    I'm going to use far better wages then the rest here, lets say people working are making $20 per hour, or $800 per week, now those four families are cut back 8 hours, they are now making $640 a week.

    You've just cut the wages of 4 families, 20% to give one family a job paying $640 a week.
    I”m sorry, I just don't see the economics of pulling down 4 families to help one. Putting that same amount of effort into creating jobs, would be a much better idea.
    The effort has to be placed in education.
    Then the trade deficits must stop , no more endless stream of money from our nation to Arabia, the Orient, Europe, Iraq, Afghanistan, now Mexico.
    Having more people working with shorter hours will be more fair, but this is not the bottom line answer.

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    Re: Shortening the work week?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Gein View Post
    Working class hero drivel. You want to know why there are so few bosses and so many churls? Look in the mirror.

    Run a business and then come back and chat with the adults. Just saying.
    "Very conservative" says it all.

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