View Poll Results: Should the work week be reduced?

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  • The work week should be increased to more than 40 hours, or eliminated

    19 37.25%
  • The work week should remain at 40 hours

    20 39.22%
  • The work week should be reduced to 36-39 hours

    3 5.88%
  • The work week should be reduced to 32-35 hours

    6 11.76%
  • The work week should be reduced to less than 32 hours

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Thread: Shortening the work week?

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    Re: Shortening the work week?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The 84-hour biweekly schedule is government rule (though there is a proposal to reduce to 40-hour workweeks and get rid of the alternating 1/2 day workdays on Saturday), but the post-lunch nap is engrained local custom... Frankly, I think it makes Taiwanese more efficient in the afternoon as the body's natural cycle calls for rest in the early afternoon...
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    Re: Shortening the work week?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I know that I have seen some people saying this already, but I thought I would expand on what I have read.

    If you reduce a person's workweek, and therefore their hours and the amount of money they make, then they will be more likely to qualify for government assistance programs. All government assistance programs are based on how much you make as a ratio of what your family's expenses should be based on an average amount per person for the areas/state that you live in. Just having people with jobs will not reduce how many people are on government assistance. In fact, reducing a person's pay just to create more jobs that pay at that level or below could very well increase how many people receive assistance.To show some math on this, if a person was making $20K a year at a 40 hour per week job and their hours are cut to 32 hours then they are now only making $16K a year. That $4K could certainly be the difference between their being on assistance or not. Even at higher wages per hour, the loss could lead to qualifying for assistance because higher wages being earned means a higher difference in yearly pay when hours are lost.

    As others have also pointed out, if people need to make up for their hours lost by finding parttime work elsewhere or by another family member going to work, then you a) now need more jobs created to make up for the extra jobs needed to make up the pay, and b) that would mean less overall hours with the family because most likely whatever job is gotten elsewhere is going to have to be for more hours than just those that were lost during the week. If a person loses 4-6 hours a week, the person or their spouse that might not have worked is most likely not going to find a job for the same or better pay where they only work 4-6 hours a week. If we are talking about a family where the parent/parents only put 40 hours a week into work before between the two of them or even just for the one if there is only one parent, they will either have to be on assistance or now put in at least 40 hours a week but most likely somewhere between 50-60 hours per week.
    Let me get this straight? You want more people on Government assistance? Francis Fox Piven? Is that you?

    Her dream is to get so many people on gov. assistance the money would run out, people would start rioting in the streets (like Greece) the economy would callapse and a "new" form of government would step in.
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    Re: Shortening the work week?

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    Eating a big a** lunch will do that to ya...
    The typical workplace lunch here is a Japanese-style lunchbox with rice, three veggies, meat (usually pork or chicken) and an egg... not as much as most Americans eat...
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    Re: Shortening the work week?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The typical workplace lunch here is a Japanese-style lunchbox with rice, three veggies, meat (usually pork or chicken) and an egg... not as much as most Americans eat...
    Sounds tasty. Let's do lunch sometime.

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    Re: Shortening the work week?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Gein View Post
    Relax on the weekends and in the evenings. Or, take off more time, just don't expect your employer to pay you for doing nothing.

    Try running a business and see how many days you take off.
    Amazing isn't it? The country is going into the crapper. We are broke, someone here is suggesting cutting hours so MORE will be able to get on gov. assistance. Now we have them whining about more vacation time that hurts employers. Anyone who employs people in this economy should be thanked, not **** on.
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    Re: Shortening the work week?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The typical workplace lunch here is a Japanese-style lunchbox with rice, three veggies, meat (usually pork or chicken) and an egg... not as much as most Americans eat...
    Probably much more healthy too. When I worked construction we used to go to an all you can eat buffet sometimes, if we could twist the supers arm to drive us (we all carpooled about 75 miles one way each day). I would be pretty much worthless the rest of the day

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    Re: Shortening the work week?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Let me get this straight? You want more people on Government assistance? Francis Fox Piven? Is that you?

    Her dream is to get so many people on gov. assistance the money would run out, people would start rioting in the streets (like Greece) the economy would callapse and a "new" form of government would step in.
    It's the Cloward and Piven Strategy, but you already knew that didn't you?
    I'm pretty sure you misread what I said. I would like to see less people on assistance, which is precisely why I am against shortening the work week. Not sure how you came to the other conclusion from my post. The rest of the post makes it pretty obvious that I think the OPs idea is a bad one because more people are likely to be on assistance or have to actually work more hours in more jobs.
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    Re: Shortening the work week?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Gein View Post
    Relax on the weekends and in the evenings. Or, take off more time, just don't expect your employer to pay you for doing nothing.

    Try running a business and see how many days you take off.
    The above is an example of American corporate culture. Just saying.

    Business execs that have full staff take more time off than anyone because they have managers who run the place when they're not there. If there's an expense account, most "business trips" are combined with leisure... eating out, golfing, travelling to distant places, etc.

    It's the lower level workers that are given no breathing room. And yes they should get paid vacation time. That is the whole damn point. They work all year for you and you show them some appreciation. It improves employee trust and makes them more dedicated to helping you run your business.

    If you're a slave driver, people will cut corners in any way they can because they are either tired or they don't feel you care about them, so they in turn don't care about your business. American style companies are all about efficiency policies and monitoring employee activities to ensure maximum efficiency. There is no trust involved. Not in all companies, but a hell of a lot.

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    Re: Shortening the work week?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I'm pretty sure you misread what I said. I would like to see less people on assistance, which is precisely why I am against shortening the work week. Not sure how you came to the other conclusion from my post. The rest of the post makes it pretty obvious that I think the OPs idea is a bad one because more people are likely to be on assistance or have to actually work more hours in more jobs.
    I'm pretty sure my eyes glazed over during the first paragraph. You were explaining how it all would work out with the math and all. Just so you don't want more people on welfare, I apologize for getting it wrong.
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    Re: Shortening the work week?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I'm pretty sure my eyes glazed over during the first paragraph. You were explaining how it all would work out with the math and all. Just so you don't want more people on welfare, I apologize for getting it wrong.
    Welfare is not a good thing, but I do think that it is necessary. I want to see less people on welfare. It needs to be fixed through better wages for workers, education and incentives within the welfare system to get people off of welfare and more self-reliant (preferably, I would make everyone more self-reliant, so that they have less of a need for welfare during bad times), and removing welfare from those who refuse to work to improve themselves and try to get off welfare.
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