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    Re: Alcoholism: Disease or Behavior

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    So, in lieu of adhering my own opinion, I can just accept yours, doctor?
    You don't need to accept mine, especially since I didn't give one. But I did provide you with a real doctor's opinion, Dr. Appleton's, which you have no evidence or credentials to refute.

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    Re: Alcoholism: Disease or Behavior

    It's behaviour and disease. The behaviour is acquired and then it's a disease because it results in dysfunction and mental imbalance.

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    Re: Alcoholism: Disease or Behavior

    I believe it is learned behavior. Now, bad habits are hard to break, and even this addiction can become slightly physical due to the release of endorphins and other brain stimuli. However, I find it hard to compare alcoholism to any real addictive drug such as heroin, cocaine, methamphetamines, or even smoking. I have met many who drank too much too often who turned their lives around because something in their life changed. I think you'd find that most alcoholics have an underlying issue that is causing them to drink.

    But I am not a psychiatrist, that's for sure.
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    Re: Alcoholism: Disease or Behavior

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
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    But I am not a psychiatrist, that's for sure.
    It certainly is.

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    Re: Alcoholism: Disease or Behavior

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I disagree. Mental disorders are different from physical disorders. Physical disorders can be treated physically. Disorders like this include asthma, cancer, chemically induced depression, and other things for which physical evidence and treatment may exist. Mental disorders/diseases are all part of the patient's psyche and are psychologically driven/caused. Alcoholism is typically an addiction to alcohol. It isn't a physical disease. It is a behavior for an individual to pick up a bottle of alcohol and ingest it. It would be a disease if the body somehow manufactured excess ethanol. I've had several family members die alcoholics. I've had some recover from alcohol. The patient may be addicted to alcohol, but nothing is forcing them to drink and they do not have a physical disease. I do believe mental disorders and physical disorders are very different.
    You have just identified the stigma that those with mental disorders suffer. There is nothing different between mental and physical disorders... both have the same kinds of impacts, both cause visible symptoms, both impact functioning, both may be caused by problems inside the body, whether it be chemical, physical, or mental.

    Further, no one "recovers" from alcoholism. They are in a state of recovery... when they are not using. It's not an issue that goes away, if one is an alcoholic. It's not about the behavior. It's about the state of being. No one forces someone to drink, but even if they are not drinking, that doesn't mean they are NOT an alcoholic.
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    Re: Alcoholism: Disease or Behavior

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    I remember my grandfather talking about his struggle with alcohol once. We were down in Alabama visiting and another relative was over talking to my dad. Somehow the relative started talking about beer and then quickly apologized to my grandfather for mentioning it. My grandfather said it was OK. He said something like, "I could watch you sitting right there drink a beer and I wouldn't want one, but if I picked up a can and started drinking it, I wouldn't stop until they were all gone."
    This is an excellent description of alcoholism. The choice lies in picking up the first drink. After that, the addictive process takes over.
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    Re: Alcoholism: Disease or Behavior

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Drugs may help curb addictive behavior. However many individuals instead get addicted to those drugs. I specifically stated that depression caused by chemical imbalances in the brain is a physical disease. However, alcoholism is still a behavior is still a behavior. Nothing is forcing their brain to drink or the individual to chose that. They may have an addictive personality, but addiction can be overcome. Nothing in an alcoholics brain chemistry forces them to drink. They may be predisposed to addictions, but nothing is forcing them to be addicted or partake in addictive behavior.
    You don't understand the addictive process and the compulsion to act on the desire. There is genetic coding that indicates that one DOES have a predisposition to become addicted. Once one begins to drink, this DOES force them to be addicted. Further, beyond the genetic coding, the excitement of opioid receptors in the brain certainly forces those who are predisposed to continue to use. It is certainly brain chemistry that forces one to continue to partake in addictive behavior.

    Now, do people who do NOT have the genetic coding that makes them predisposed to addiction, can they become addicted? Yes. It is less likely, but, they can. As their usage increases, this will also trigger brain chemical reactions, especially in the opioid receptors that will create addictive reactions.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: Alcoholism: Disease or Behavior

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    You don't need to accept mine, especially since I didn't give one. But I did provide you with a real doctor's opinion, Dr. Appleton's, which you have no evidence or credentials to refute.
    Just so you know, as far as I could tell, Dr. Appleton is a doctor of Sociology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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