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    Re: Alcoholism: Disease or Behavior

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Understanding that alcoholism is a disease does not create a victim.
    Doesn't it though? Aren't folks who have actual diseases often called victims of their disease? AIDS victims, Cancer victims, etc. Who doesn't feel bad for someone who has a bad disease? By labeling addiction a disease, it does suggest a sort of innocent victim. Haven't you heard people try to excuse bad things they do because they were drunk, or high? What other "disease" negatively impacts others who don't even have it, the way addiction does? And now, everything that a person can do in excess is considered an addiction because people want the excuse of it being a disease. I acknowledge that alcohol is a chemical dependency, as are drugs, and that's hard to shake. Mad props do those who do, but your actions are yours alone, drunk, sober or whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i don't believe it matters what you consider it.......doctors consider it a disease.
    I doubt every doctor agrees, besides the practice of medicine is constantly changing. This may be the accepted model right now, but then, so was putting leeches on people back in the day.
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    Re: Alcoholism: Disease or Behavior

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    a quote from wiki doesn't change the fact that mainstream medicine considers alcoholism a disease.
    I'd like to see your evidence to contradict Dr. Appleton, not a fallacious argument, if you please.

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    Re: Alcoholism: Disease or Behavior

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Doesn't it though? Aren't folks who have actual diseases often called victims of their disease? AIDS victims, Cancer victims, etc. Who doesn't feel bad for someone who has a bad disease? By labeling addiction a disease, it does suggest a sort of innocent victim. Haven't you heard people try to excuse bad things they do because they were drunk, or high? What other "disease" negatively impacts others who don't even have it, the way addiction does? And now, everything that a person can do in excess is considered an addiction because people want the excuse of it being a disease. I acknowledge that alcohol is a chemical dependency, as are drugs, and that's hard to shake. Mad props do those who do, but your actions are yours alone, drunk, sober or whatever.

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    I doubt every doctor agrees, besides the practice of medicine is constantly changing. This may be the accepted model right now, but then, so was putting leeches on people back in the day.
    actually, leeches are still quite useful.

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    Re: Alcoholism: Disease or Behavior

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    actually, leeches are still quite useful.
    Yeah, they usually grow up to become politicians.
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    Re: Alcoholism: Disease or Behavior

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    -- When I see a surge of people in Ethiopia becoming obeast or a surge of alcoholics in hard core muslims countries then I might believe that those things are diseases.
    I've seen it, I've drunk maize beer, gin, burukutu, sorghum beer and all sorts of other alcoholic drinks with muslims in muslim countries.

    Palm juice starts off as a morning fruit type drink in some tropical countries but by 4 in the afternoon it's quite alcoholic and dangerous. You better start believing alcoholism is the latter stage of a disease that started off as behaviour.

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    Re: Alcoholism: Disease or Behavior

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    I've seen it, I've drunk maize beer, gin, burukutu, sorghum beer and all sorts of other alcoholic drinks with muslims in muslim countries.

    Palm juice starts off as a morning fruit type drink in some tropical countries but by 4 in the afternoon it's quite alcoholic and dangerous. You better start believing alcoholism is the latter stage of a disease that started off as behaviour.
    Which is why they beat drunks with sticks in afghanistan. As it should be

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    Re: Alcoholism: Disease or Behavior

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    Are smokers predisposed to have a 'disease' as well? How about heroine addicts?
    Since these are both addictions and follow the same mechanisms, yes.

    If my younger brother is genetically predisposed to becoming an alcoholic - what happened to my sister and I? Why can we drink in moderation and he cannot? All three of us started underage drinking, difference is, her and I did it socially and minimally. My brother chose to drink his 'problems' away. I have a very hard time understanding it to be a disease that is somehow out of someone's control, when there are others who may come from the same genetic makeup and never have a problem with it.
    Do all siblings have the same eye color? Hair color? Other identical genetics? If one sibling is born with a genetic disease, do ALL of them have it? See what I'm getting at?

    I'm still curious as to what other addictions are considered 'diseases'? I am positive that once a person is an addict they will always be an addict - whether that is to cigarettes, alcohol or hard drugs... but how many of these things are also labeled a disease and if that's the case - why won't health insurance help pay for treatment of these diseases?
    Health insurance does pay for the treatment of these diseases. Addiction treatment is usually better reimbursed then standard mental health treatment.
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    Re: Alcoholism: Disease or Behavior

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Alcoholism is a behavior that leads to disease. It may be classified as a mental disease, but alcoholism isn't a physical disease. There may be a brain issue where their chemicals may make them have a more addictive personality, but it still isn't a physical disease.
    Alcoholism is a disease that may or may not be exhibited in behavioral ways. A mental disorder is no different from a physical disorder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
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    Re: Alcoholism: Disease or Behavior

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Dr. Lynn Appleton says that "Despite all public pronouncements about alcoholism as a disease, medical practice rejects treating it as such. Not only does alcoholism not follow the model of a 'disease,' it is not amenable to standard medical treatment." She says that "Medical doctors' rejection of the disease theory of alcoholism has a strong basis in the biomedical model underpinning most of their training" and that "medical research on alcoholism does not support the disease model." (Lynn M. Appleton. Rethinking medicalization. Alcoholism and anomalies. Chapter in editor Joel Best's Images of Issues. Typifying Contemporary Social Problems. NY: Aldine De Gruyter, 1995, page 65 and page 69. 2nd edition
    Wrong. The AMA has accepted the dual classification of alcoholism as being both a psychiatric and medical condition since 1991 and identified it as an illness since 1956. Now, if you want to cherry-pick quotes from Wikipedia... which you did not cite, btw, that's fine. But this is a well accepted standard with the AMA.
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    Re: Alcoholism: Disease or Behavior

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Calling it a disease implies that you just minding your own business and someone sneezed on you, you accidentally stepped on a rusty nail, something in the air or some other thing outside of your control and suddenly you became addicted to booze, became fat or a toothpick. Dumb-asses call these things diseases became it makes them look like victims instead of perpetrators. When I see a surge of people in Ethiopia becoming obeast or a surge of alcoholics in hard core muslims countries then I might believe that those things are diseases.
    A disease is defined as;
    a condition of the living animal or plant body or of one of its parts that impairs normal functioning and is typically manifested by distinguishing signs and symptoms.

    Alcoholism certainly fits that definition. Dumbasses seem to know more than you give them credit for.
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