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    Re: Alcoholism: Disease or Behavior

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Anyone who makes the claim that alcoholism is just a behavior.
    It scars you forever.

    You feel it in your soul.

    No such feeling comes from a behavior.

    And anyone who thinks otherwise simply doesn't understand.

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    Re: Alcoholism: Disease or Behavior

    I treat people with addiction, present and lecture on the topic, and have done program development around addiction treatment. It is absurd and ignorant to look at alcoholism as nothing but a behavior. Genetic research has identified genes that contribute to the susceptiblity of becoming addicted, part of why some are more prone to it than others. Understanding that alcoholism is a disease does not create a victim. It frees the individual from being a slave to whatever they are addicted to. The choice that someone has... as they do with any disease, is whether they treat their disease or not.
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    Re: Alcoholism: Disease or Behavior

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Anyone who makes the claim that alcoholism is just a behavior. It speaks to that person's lack of knowledge about the mechanisms of alcoholism and the difference between a state and a behavior. For example, one can be an alcoholic and not drink.
    That reminds me of how alcoholics and addicts who are sober refer to themselves: as "recovering" and not "cured." Because an addict is never cured. Because "cured" denotes an assumption that they go back and use whatever they were addicted to and not get addicted again. Which is false.

    So when someone becomes an addict, they will always be an addict. All that will change is whether they are abusing their addiction or staying sober.
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    Re: Alcoholism: Disease or Behavior

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I treat people with addiction, present and lecture on the topic, and have done program development around addiction treatment. It is absurd and ignorant to look at alcoholism as nothing but a behavior. Genetic research has identified genes that contribute to the susceptiblity of becoming addicted, part of why some are more prone to it than others. Understanding that alcoholism is a disease does not create a victim. It frees the individual from being a slave to whatever they are addicted to. The choice that someone has... as they do with any disease, is whether they treat their disease or not.
    Are smokers predisposed to have a 'disease' as well? How about heroine addicts?

    If my younger brother is genetically predisposed to becoming an alcoholic - what happened to my sister and I? Why can we drink in moderation and he cannot? All three of us started underage drinking, difference is, her and I did it socially and minimally. My brother chose to drink his 'problems' away. I have a very hard time understanding it to be a disease that is somehow out of someone's control, when there are others who may come from the same genetic makeup and never have a problem with it.

    I'm still curious as to what other addictions are considered 'diseases'? I am positive that once a person is an addict they will always be an addict - whether that is to cigarettes, alcohol or hard drugs... but how many of these things are also labeled a disease and if that's the case - why won't health insurance help pay for treatment of these diseases?

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    Re: Alcoholism: Disease or Behavior

    The disease is really a genetic lack of dopamine receptors in the brain. Or possibly that the dopamine triggers don't function like those in the non-alcoholic, non-addictive brain. Alcoholics aren't happy when they are sober and they only kid themselves that they are happy when they're drinking. There will be some satisfaction experienced by the recovering alcoholic, due to being able to interact with family and friends, and even to remember those good times. It's sad to maintenance drink and never get off, only to keep sickness at bay.

    The mind altering "party on" people spend all of their time chasing that which is unachievable; happiness.

    Edit: I have found that I can trigger my dopamine by eating extremely hot peppers.
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    Re: Alcoholism: Disease or Behavior

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Anyone who makes the claim that alcoholism is just a behavior. It speaks to that person's lack of knowledge about the mechanisms of alcoholism and the difference between a state and a behavior. For example, one can be an alcoholic and not drink.
    Alcoholism is a behavior that leads to disease. It may be classified as a mental disease, but alcoholism isn't a physical disease. There may be a brain issue where their chemicals may make them have a more addictive personality, but it still isn't a physical disease.
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    Re: Alcoholism: Disease or Behavior

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    Are smokers predisposed to have a 'disease' as well? How about heroine addicts?

    If my younger brother is genetically predisposed to becoming an alcoholic - what happened to my sister and I? Why can we drink in moderation and he cannot? All three of us started underage drinking, difference is, her and I did it socially and minimally. My brother chose to drink his 'problems' away. I have a very hard time understanding it to be a disease that is somehow out of someone's control, when there are others who may come from the same genetic makeup and never have a problem with it.

    I'm still curious as to what other addictions are considered 'diseases'? I am positive that once a person is an addict they will always be an addict - whether that is to cigarettes, alcohol or hard drugs... but how many of these things are also labeled a disease and if that's the case - why won't health insurance help pay for treatment of these diseases?
    You don't have all the same genes as your alcoholic sibling, lucky you. I am in the same situation. My sibling is an alcoholic, while I am not. I have deen a "drinker"for 20 years without it becoming an issue, while my sister cannot drink again, because of the inevitability of where that would go. She also has other genetic based diseases which I do not have. Do your siblings have the same hair and eye color as you? Mine don't.

    It is quite possible that those other things you mention might also be diseases with with their own genetic commonalities.

    Insurance doesn't pay for several reasons, none of which have to do with facts about the nature of alcoholism. The basic reason is that insurance doesn't pay for anything society doesn't insist it should pay for.
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    Re: Alcoholism: Disease or Behavior

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    So those of us who follow baseball have seen Detroit Tiger's First Basemen Miguel Cabrera's latest drinking **** up. Whenever the subject is brought up in the media, they always refer to it as a disease. I don't buy into the disease theory, in my opinion it's a behavior because you can stop being an alcoholic without medication by just simply putting down the bottle. I believe the disease theory is just to rationalize and cover the social stigma that is associated with being addicted to the sauce.
    then you don't understand addiction very well.

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    Re: Alcoholism: Disease or Behavior

    oh dear. people need to educate themselves.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Alcoholism: Disease or Behavior

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    Are smokers predisposed to have a 'disease' as well? How about heroine addicts?

    If my younger brother is genetically predisposed to becoming an alcoholic - what happened to my sister and I? Why can we drink in moderation and he cannot? All three of us started underage drinking, difference is, her and I did it socially and minimally. My brother chose to drink his 'problems' away. I have a very hard time understanding it to be a disease that is somehow out of someone's control, when there are others who may come from the same genetic makeup and never have a problem with it.

    I'm still curious as to what other addictions are considered 'diseases'? I am positive that once a person is an addict they will always be an addict - whether that is to cigarettes, alcohol or hard drugs... but how many of these things are also labeled a disease and if that's the case - why won't health insurance help pay for treatment of these diseases?
    Is your brother older or younger then you?

    It's difficult to say exactly how it works...

    For example, am I more pre-disposed to addiction because when I was 3 years old, I stole an entire can of beer and drank it. Or as it was back in the day you dipped your babies pacifier in wine or beer and gave it to them to soothe them.

    I know the younger you drink the more likely it is you can develop alcoholism.

    But also my moms dad was an alcoholic (Not a violent or dysfunctional one, he had a good job, he was a good man, he never did anything wrong he just happened to drink alot) but as far as I know, niether my mom, or her 2 young brothers developed alcoholism... but I, I suppose somehow did.

    Again, it's difficult to say how these things work, as John McCain once said "I'm not an expert on some of this stuff"

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