I do fear that there is an undercurrent of anti-science, anti-intellectualism which is starting to spread across the US. This sort of willful ignorance is not a good thing. Humans never got anywhere by stagnation, we too must evolve.
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Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
I think there's room for science and religious theology. Consider the following:
Biblical scripture teaches that God created man from the dust. Science teaches that this planet was formed from the collection of space debris colliding together and over time molding itself into this big blue ball, that is was once such the collision occurred that carried with it the building blocks - DNA - for life to form on Earth. Until then, science teaches that this planetoid was nothing more than a large piece of hot space junk. The question then becomes how did that single cell organism develop into the countless species of plant and animal life we know today?
Answer: It evolved...adapted to its surroundings, changing over time. We're still seeing these such changes all around us everyday. They're subtle, i.e., setiments in water as it flows through rivers and streams being deposited in areas where they normally wouldn't have decades or hundreds if not thousands of years before. The Earth's crust shifting, volcanos erupting casting off the primortial soup was call lava which science has shown does reconstitute life.
It's a cycle, one man can't fully understand in all its detail, but we are learning. We are evolving...every day. But the two answers we may never know are "why" and "how"? Why create man here on this planet were this lifeform (to our knowledge atleast) does not exist elsewhere? And how did we presumably go from what science says is a being from the water to a two-legged creature that walks upright that happens to have a higher plain of deductive reasoning than our nearest primate relative?
For what it's worth, I just accept it for what it is, count my blessings that I was born human and not an ant or spider and move on. But I thank God for wisemen who are daring enough to challenge what they don't know and are brave enough to seek out answers that stand to benefit all of mankind.
Last edited by Objective Voice; 02-28-11 at 12:26 PM.
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It doesn't take one with a keen scientific mind to figure this out. You just have to look beyond yourself every once in a while and see the beauty this Earth has to offer.
We exist...We adapt....We evol.
Last edited by Objective Voice; 02-28-11 at 04:18 PM.
I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK
Scripture (Book of Genesis) attempts to "marginalize" creationism. In it's most basic terms, it says a powerful spirit being - God (Jehovah...Yahway, whatever you prefer to affix to Him, if any) said "let it be so" and "IT" was...whatever "IT" is...light, darkness, water, earth (soil), air, animals, insects, plants, trees, man. Except for how life was breath into man's lungs through his nostrils, the Bible doesn't outline how all this happened...just says God made it so and, thus, it happened.
I'm not arguing that the Bible is an absolute where creationism is concerned. I'm merely saying that the abstract of man's creation - that he came from the dust - can be supported by the science. And the science says that the building blocks of life began with one cellestial collision that contained the proper elements to form life itself. Scripture just explains it in the abstract. It doesn't say, for example, how man lived, how he adapted to his living environment. Yet, that seems to be the argument you'd like for me to make. Science has already provided numerous examples as to how man lived and ultimately survived in some of the harshest environments on Earth. So, that's not an argument I'm willing to rehash here. Just go to a museum and see such evidence for yourself. But where the theology seems to part with the science or even conflict on the issue of creationism -vs- evolution, I say there's plenty of room for both. Scripture merely attempts to explain things in a format man can understand. Unfortunately, the details...how it all began...I think science, man's knowledge, will never be that complete. But we can get damned close. Beyond that, the arguments become too irrational. Hence, the focus of this poll...the "hows" and "whys"...man may never know the answers. But I appreciate wise men seeking answers for which I am not gifted enough to reach conclusions to myself.
Sidenote: I think most men view scripture incorrectly. My take: The Bible isn't necessarily cookie-cutter one world view. It would be great if the world did treat each other with common decency that much of biblical scripture espouses. Unfortunately...
Yes, religions divide man. I won't argue that. But, IMO, I see the Bible as merely a guide book to teach man lessons of life, individual responsibilities, human behavioral patterns that if ignored we are doomed to repeat the same mistakes men before us have made, and on how to be kind and charitable towards one another especially to those who are less fortunate. Doesn't mean you give to everyone who has his hand out. For some are lazy and only wish to take advantage of one's kindness and generosity. But overall, we are to love one another. We're all part of the human element. But I'll save that for another debate. Bottom line here is IMO if you're looking at the Bible as an absolute, I'd say you've missed the mark. But until that day when I come face-to-face with my Makers (if such a God truly exist; I choose to believe there is something out there more powerful than myself), then I hope to be afforded the opportunity to ask these and many such questions. Until then, I choose to put my faith in this good Book of Spiritual Enlightenment and try as best I can to live my life conforming to the standards it setforth as best I can. I fall short at times, but part of repentance is realizing your shortcomings and trying not to repeat them again and again.
We exist, We adapt, we evol...
Last edited by Objective Voice; 02-28-11 at 05:32 PM.
It is between zealots of any religion and people (scientists or not) who have any kind of real grasp of what evolution is.
Are questions about aspects of evolution unanswered? Yes, but this should not put it at odds with religion or one's faith.
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I am still awaiting the evidence presented by the Scientific Method of Observable, Reproducible Experimentation that makes Vertical Evolution of Life from Dead Matter a fact of physical Science. What I see are Conjectures, Speculations and Cosmological Arguments based upon philosophy and prima facie hypothesis based upon the things observed Today with an unprovable assumption that the Universe has not changed throughout all antiquity, when Physical Science confirms the fact that something so mundane as WATER can and does change the rate of decay in the very same radio active elements used as a supposed STANDARD to calibrate age...with Science also proving that not one inch of the earth's surface at one time has not been covered in water at some point in its history.
Last edited by Walter; 02-28-11 at 07:36 PM.