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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    This is your claim;
    Religious belief and a rejection of evolution are STRONGLY correlated in the US.
    Religious belief is directly correlated with a rejection of evolution in America:


    Thus, it comes as no surprise to find that there is a strong relationship between church attendance and belief in evolution in the current data. Those who attend church most often are the least likely to say they believe in evolution.

    Previous Gallup research shows that the rate of church attendance is fairly constant across educational groups, suggesting that this relationship is not owing to an underlying educational difference but instead reflects a direct influence of religious beliefs on belief in evolution.



    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    In fact, what your link argues is that there is a stronger religious objection to evolution in the US than in other countries. However, you took that mean most of the religious in the US object to evolution. That's not what your link says.
    Incorrect. The first link is to show that Americans are an oddity compared to other 1st world countries when it comes to accepting evolution. So the natural question is: why?

    The second link answers this question. It shows that religiosity is strongly correlated to disbelief in evolution.





    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    II maintain that the loud minority remains a minority non the less, and in America evolution has a home.
    I agree that a the majroity of Americans are not vocal anti-evolutionists. But some 25% of Americans reject evolution and are part of that vocal group. You can see examples even here in such posters as Walter and Digsbe.

    Only 39% of Americans accept evolution. That is pathetic.


    Americans who have lower levels of formal education are significantly less likely than others to be able to identity Darwin with his theory, and to have an opinion on it either way. Still, the evidence is clear that even to this day, Americans' religious beliefs are a significant predictor of their attitudes toward Darwin's theory. Those who attend church most often are the least likely to believe in evolution, and most likely to say they do not believe in it.
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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Religious belief is directly correlated with a rejection of evolution in America:


    Thus, it comes as no surprise to find that there is a strong relationship between church attendance and belief in evolution in the current data. Those who attend church most often are the least likely to say they believe in evolution.

    Previous Gallup research shows that the rate of church attendance is fairly constant across educational groups, suggesting that this relationship is not owing to an underlying educational difference but instead reflects a direct influence of religious beliefs on belief in evolution.




    Incorrect. The first link is to show that Americans are an oddity compared to other 1st world countries when it comes to accepting evolution. So the natural question is: why?

    The second link answers this question. It shows that religiosity is strongly correlated to disbelief in evolution.






    I agree that a the majroity of Americans are not vocal anti-evolutionists. But some 25% of Americans reject evolution and are part of that vocal group. You can see examples even here in such posters as Walter and Digsbe.

    Only 39% of Americans accept evolution. That is pathetic.


    Americans who have lower levels of formal education are significantly less likely than others to be able to identity Darwin with his theory, and to have an opinion on it either way. Still, the evidence is clear that even to this day, Americans' religious beliefs are a significant predictor of their attitudes toward Darwin's theory. Those who attend church most often are the least likely to believe in evolution, and most likely to say they do not believe in it.
    To be accurate, no one believes in evolution. It's a scientific theory, not a faith, you don't believe in theories. So, now that you've completely backpedaled, I'm wondering if the church of Google will grant you a somewhat more credible source than a Gallup poll (who are well known for their exit polls )

    I suppose since the purpose of this thread is to provide the OP with information, the OP can take our posts and settle on his opinion for himself.

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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    To be accurate, no one believes in evolution. It's a scientific theory, not a faith, you don't believe in theories.
    Oh, joy. Jerry is going to play semantic games now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    So, now that you've completely backpedaled
    I haven't backpedaled at all. The only thing that has chnaged is that you finally understand what I am saying rather than attacking a strawman. This is why I asked you to explain what you THINK I was saying.

    I'm glad we cleared that up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I'm wondering if the church of Google will grant you a somewhat more credible source than a Gallup poll (who are well known for their exit polls
    Typical. You can't accept the conclusions of the data so the data must be wrong.

    Its a pretty well established fact that evolution is a theory highly despised by most of the religious in the US. Luckily things are improving rapidly.
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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Young Earth Creation is but one slice of the pie. Christians reject evolution for purely religious reasons on other grounds as well.
    Yes, but they cannot reject it on non-religious, non-emotional reasons, which is the point. Anyone who actually understands the evidence and evaluates it rationally has no choice but to accept it as logically and evidentially supported. It's only went you take a hard right at irrationality that you turn into a ranting creationist.
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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    There is no fundamental incompatibility between the theory of evolution and the doctrine of creationism. There is, however, a good deal of money to be made by pretending there is.

    I don't know enough about the gods to even begin speculating on their role in the creation of the universe or the development of primitive life. I do know enough to be firm in my belief that they have been with us every step of the way since the development of civilization, and that they continue to guide our progress. And I know enough about science to understand that any god that hates it is not worthy of human worship.

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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    I voted "no" because there is no science which had proved there is no God, moreover so-called "evolution" itself is a bogus and fake, no one science can prove it.
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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alfons View Post
    I voted "no" because there is no science which had proved there is no God, moreover so-called "evolution" itself is a bogus and fake, no one science can prove it.
    Science cant prove there is a god or there isn't a god, you're quite right.

    But you can't prove there's a god either...

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    Rom 6:23:For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Here are some applications of the "worthless fact" you call evolution:

    CA215: Practical uses of evolution.
    Evolutionary theory is the framework tying together all of biology. It explains similarities and differences between organisms, fossils, biogeography, drug resistance, extreme features such as the peacock's tail, relative virulence of parasites, and much more besides. Without the theory of evolution, it would still be possible to know much about biology, but not to understand it.
    Last time i looked frameworking all of biology didn't feed the poor or help gain political power. Knowing the differences between organisms may be great and correct but this debate is mainly for who people are voting and as such is worthless knowledge. Again this is a debate about the evolution debate. That evolution debate is between politicians and people in the media only. Other than that, only biotech company workers and researchers care. The "Theory of Evolution" as debated has no practicable everyday use and certainly has no use when electing politicians.

    Point two onward in your article is the same thing. Again, biology may employ people and create great things. But within a political discussion (which the evolution debate currently is), this is meaningless.
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