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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Religious descriptions of creation are just that, religion. Religion is not science and when the two mix the results are not pleasant, just look at the AGW hoax. That being said, there are numerous problems with evolution. There is no practical way to prove this theory.


    As it is today the main purpose of evolutionary theory is to disprove the existence of an higher intelligence or something beyond our comprehension. Which is neither provable or improvable with our current understanding of science.

    Other than an application in terms of genetics or eugenics, I see no use for pursuing the idea of evolution.
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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by LookingGlass View Post
    Religious descriptions of creation are just that, religion. Religion is not science and when the two mix the results are not pleasant, just look at the AGW hoax. That being said, there are numerous problems with evolution. There is no practical way to prove this theory.


    As it is today the main purpose of evolutionary theory is to disprove the existence of an higher intelligence or something beyond our comprehension. Which is neither provable or improvable with our current understanding of science.

    Other than an application in terms of genetics or eugenics, I see no use for pursuing the idea of evolution.
    Simply put, were we created or have we always been here in ever-changing forms?

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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Simply put, were we created or have we always been here in ever-changing forms?

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    It really is irrelevant. Is it not? I mean we are here the only thing before us is the future not the past and certainly not the distant past. If the spark of life was discovered tomorrow, how would that change anything? If it proved beyond all doubt that there was no god, some wouldn't accept that. Some wouldn't accept the existence of a higher being even in the face of incontrovertible proof.

    Granted there would be scientific applications but not for decades. I would actually present more questions than answers.

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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by LookingGlass View Post
    Religious descriptions of creation are just that, religion.
    Well, in the case of scripture, how Genesis describes the origin of the earth, turns out to be exactly how it happened.

    Quote Originally Posted by LookingGlass View Post
    Religion is not science and when the two mix the results are not pleasant, just look at the AGW hoax.
    .......Googles "AGW hoax"....oh, couldn't agree more.

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    That being said, there are numerous problems with evolution. There is no practical way to prove this theory.
    Sure there are. In fact we witness evolution occurring, even.

    Quote Originally Posted by LookingGlass View Post
    As it is today the main purpose of evolutionary theory is to disprove the existence of an higher intelligence or something beyond our comprehension.
    The main purpose of evolution theory is to study how organisms change to adapt to their environment.

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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by LookingGlass View Post
    There is no practical way to prove this theory.
    Quote Originally Posted by LookingGlass View Post
    Which is neither provable or improvable with our current understanding of science.
    Theories are NOT "proven". They are supported. Evolution is nearly as strongly supported as the theory of gravitation (not to be confused with the phenomenon known as gravity). Read a book! I suggest "the greatest show on earth: the evidence for evolution"


    Quote Originally Posted by LookingGlass View Post
    As it is today the main purpose of evolutionary theory is to disprove the existence of an higher intelligence or something beyond our comprehension.
    that is the silliest thing I've heard in a long time. Did you come up with it or did your pastor/priest tell you it?
    Scientists don't try to disprove the muslim god, the hindu god, etc. They are unconcerned with that stuff. Scientists, such as biologists look for explanations for:
    1) facts observed in nature
    2) phenomenon reproducible in the lab

    It just so happens that every once and awhile a scientific explanation conflicts with a particular religion's holy-book tales. Then the religious have a temper-tantrum. This has happened before: galileo and the mormons are two examples.

    Quote Originally Posted by LookingGlass View Post
    Other than an application in terms of genetics or eugenics, I see no use for pursuing the idea of evolution.
    An understanding of evolution allows us to create flu vaccines, grow more efficient and plentiful crops, and breed animals for desirable traits (for food or affection). These are just SOME applications that probably wouldn't be possible without the theory of evolution.
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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Had you lived back in history and had the power, there would have been no Pasteur, Lister, Curie, Ehrlich, Harvey, Flemming, Kenny, Walter Reed...

    All dumb asses, according to you...

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    I have no idea what you are talking about. The examples you cited only continue to prove my point.

    Just because some portion of the masses cannot comprehend something doesn't mean it is untrue. If some bozo says, well, I don't understand it, therefore it must be wrong - it doesn't make it wrong. It means the person is a bozo.
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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Evolution is wrong I laugh at the idea of random chance creating order and life There are scientists who believe in intelligent design and Biblical Creationism. Evolution is unproven and just a speculation as to how things may have come to be.
    Well, yes, they exist. I'm sure if you look hard enough, you can find "scientists" believing in many things. However, the purpose of scientists is not to "believe" something but to observe, test and draw conclusions.
    I don't know if this was supposed to be a case for disproving it or what, because I could easily just say - Evolution is right
    However, that would be intellectually dishonest and make what I am saying as faulty as what you are. I prefer to stick to facts, not beliefs when it comes to science.
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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    Well, yes, they exist. I'm sure if you look hard enough, you can find "scientists" believing in many things. However, the purpose of scientists is not to "believe" something but to observe, test and draw conclusions.
    I don't know if this was supposed to be a case for disproving it or what, because I could easily just say - Evolution is right
    However, that would be intellectually dishonest and make what I am saying as faulty as what you are. I prefer to stick to facts, not beliefs when it comes to science.
    "Belief" is a dirty word in scientific circles.

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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    "Belief" is a dirty word in scientific circles.
    The dirtiest, often.

    Even though there are a few extremists on both sides of this argument, I have to give props to many of the more well-known conservative posters around here for explaining their viewpoint and what they believe, even when others tried to bait them into an argument they weren't interested in.
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