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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    ^ I mostly agree with you, but the problem is that many Creationists think that humans are static in nature, that God made us the way we are and we are never going to be better than this. i.e. we are not currently evolving. If you study basic biology you'll know that even DNA in a living human is changing, right now. Genes turn off and others turn on, new mutations happen, some good, some bad.

    There are different degrees of absurdity within the debate. Some discussions are reasonable, like the ones you're talking about. Religion and evolution can co-exist so long as God put it into motion, but there are people who won't even accept evolution itself. They reject all scientific rationales.

    I've been to Europe and I've lived in Canada a couple of years now. When it comes to this debate, the world thinks we are a laughing stock, and I am embarrassed for our country. I have to apologize on behalf of America every time some foreigner brings up the subject. On one had we have one of the most technologically advanced nations on earth whose scientists and engineers are bar none, but we have a majority population that doesn't even believe in evolution. It's madness.

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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    I think we have to be careful about ascribing the global term ‘ignorant’ to people that don’t accept evolution as proven. Very educated people able to do critical thinking do not accept evolution as proven. The question is who are they and classifying them as the ignorant is an error, i.e. factually wrong. It also stops any discussion with them, so it’s not helpful.
    However, it is helpful to read about these 3 types of ignorance. Go to Wikipedia to find all 3 under ignorance. This may provide a guide to the root issue.
    • Pluralistic ignorance, a concept in social psychology
    • Rational ignorance, a concept in epistemology
    • Vincible ignorance, a moral or doctrinal matter in Catholic ethics

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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    I think we have to be careful about ascribing the global term ‘ignorant’ to people that don’t accept evolution as proven. Very educated people able to do critical thinking do not accept evolution as proven. The question is who are they and classifying them as the ignorant is an error, i.e. factually wrong. It also stops any discussion with them, so it’s not helpful.
    However, it is helpful to read about these 3 types of ignorance. Go to Wikipedia to find all 3 under ignorance. This may provide a guide to the root issue.
    • Pluralistic ignorance, a concept in social psychology
    • Rational ignorance, a concept in epistemology
    • Vincible ignorance, a moral or doctrinal matter in Catholic ethics
    Disbelieving evolution is as silly as believing the world is flat.

    The genetic data is overwhelming. So much so that it alone is more than enough to solidify evolution. Add in paleontology, geographic distribution, and anatomy and it cements evolution as a fact.

    There are still many aspects of evolution that scientists are studying and disagree about, but they are details, not whether evolution as a whole occurs--there is no doubt about that amongst scientists whose main field of study is something related, such as biology, paleontology, or genetics.. Sure, its possible that evolution may be wrong, and it is also "possible" that the earth may not be round.
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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    That's trolling.
    or just bein real.

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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    If you have spent any real time on this forum you're fully aware of the debate raging between those who support evolution and those who do not. There is little doubt that when examined as a whole, the majority of the scientific community overwhelmingly supports evolution as a logical explanation for the development of life. There is also little doubt that the majority of the American populace does not support evolution as explained by scientists. 78% of Americans believe God was involvement in the creation of humans either through creating us in our present form or by guiding the evolutionary process. Not surprisingly 76% of Americans consider themselves to be Christians. These numbers lead to believe that since there is little evidence for a 'debate among evolutionary scientists' the debate on evolution is between scientists and the religious. Do you agree? If not then I welcome you to support your statement.

    This vote is public so vote only if you're willing to substantiate your answer.

    This is not a debate on evolution but a debate on the debate itself.
    While there is a loud religious objection to evolution, only a small minority of religious people actually object to the theory. Those few who care enough to make a noise, dedicate their lives and treasure to making a substantial disturbance, often drowning out the religious who agree with evolution.

    The opposite is also true, in that well researched, purely scientific objections made by credible, qualified professionals, are routinely drowned out by militant Secular Humanists.

    The radical religious would have one believe modern scientists are advancing a known lie, when in fact your typical average religious person takes little or no issue with evolution at all.

    The radical anti-religious would have you believe some global conspiracy on how the Vatican is trying to reassert it's global authority, when in fact your average typical scientist extends a warm welcome to sincere criticisms of any theory.

    In short, in America, it's all to-do about nothing.....just like gay marriage and abortion.

    Let's not forget that many prominent forefathers of modern science were profoundly religious.
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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    scourge99, you are being redundant and missing the point that Hatuey wants to address. I’m sure what you think the root cause of the difference is would be interesting.
    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Disbelieving evolution is as silly as believing the world is flat.

    The genetic data is overwhelming. So much so that it alone is more than enough to solidify evolution. Add in paleontology, geographic distribution, and anatomy and it cements evolution as a fact.

    There are still many aspects of evolution that scientists are studying and disagree about, but they are details, not whether evolution as a whole occurs--there is no doubt about that amongst scientists whose main field of study is something related, such as biology, paleontology, or genetics.. Sure, its possible that evolution may be wrong, and it is also "possible" that the earth may not be round.

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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    Disbelieving evolution is as silly as believing the world is flat.

    The genetic data is overwhelming. So much so that it alone is more than enough to solidify evolution. Add in paleontology, geographic distribution, and anatomy and it cements evolution as a fact.

    There are still many aspects of evolution that scientists are studying and disagree about, but they are details, not whether evolution as a whole occurs--there is no doubt about that amongst scientists whose main field of study is something related, such as biology, paleontology, or genetics.. Sure, its possible that evolution may be wrong, and it is also "possible" that the earth may not be round.
    It's amazing how a policy penned so as to maintain political control of a local region, for a historically brief moment in time, could still cause ripples today. Young-Earth Creationism is based on the literal reading of a translated text, which as a translation is itself inherently flawed; and the lie was deliberately generated. Only the truly misguided ever sincerely believed Young Earth Creationism. From both a philosophical and scientific point of view, YEC is so easily rebuked one wonders if the Kool-aid is laced with heroin or meth to keep it's true believers drinking.

    Spare yourself and give it as little attention as possible.
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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    That's trolling.
    Nope, just true.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    If you have spent any real time on this forum you're fully aware of the debate raging between those who support evolution and those who do not. There is little doubt that when examined as a whole, the majority of the scientific community overwhelmingly supports evolution as a logical explanation for the development of life. There is also little doubt that the majority of the American populace does not support evolution as explained by scientists. 78% of Americans believe God was involvement in the creation of humans either through creating us in our present form or by guiding the evolutionary process. Not surprisingly 76% of Americans consider themselves to be Christians. These numbers lead to believe that since there is little evidence for a 'debate among evolutionary scientists' the debate on evolution is between scientists and the religious. Do you agree? If not then I welcome you to support your statement.

    This vote is public so vote only if you're willing to substantiate your answer.

    This is not a debate on evolution but a debate on the debate itself.
    In all honesty I could never support a theory that when tested in the Scientific Method of Observed, Reproducible Experimentation concludes with the same outcome....such a theory is "falsified" by the application of Physical Science. There has never been one experiment out of countless hundreds of thousands that has been conducted in the scientific method that demonstrates the Vertical Evolution of Dead Matter into biological life...is even a possibility might less a probability, yet even after being falsified time and time again....this theory is taught as a FACT of Science. I could never support a blatant fabrication.

    Its a simple thing...if such is indeed a fact of PHYSICAL SCIENCE, just present the experiment that demonstrates that life can be spontaneously generated from dead matter void of injecting preexisting life into the experiment. Until such an event takes place, I could never lie in order to promote the doctrine of Darwinian Cultism.
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