1) Assumption: The bible is literal truth and inerrant.
2) Assumption: My sects interpretation of the Bible is unquestionable.
3) Evolution/geology contradicts #1/#2 therefore Evolution/geology is wrong.
YEC arguments center entirely around criticizing "holes" in evolutionary theory. Most of these "holes" are strawmen which have been explained over and over again. Just visit the FlatEarthSociety if you want a living proof example of something similar.
Even if evolution was wrong then YEC would still have to prove YEC theories are correct. You'll notice ZERO scientific support for YEC theories. That is exactly where it becomes obvious that YEC is not even a viable alternative. It is intellectually bankrupt. It is a position held only by irrational certainty, ignorance, and indoctrination.
I'm done here. Every thread like this degenerates into a "creationists are stoopid!" "Ignorant of science"!11!1!. Let's debate with respect and reason.
Tired of elections being between the lesser of two evils.When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser. -Socrates
You don't just believe that life was intelligently designed. You believe that every single piece of life that has ever existed on earth, including dinosaurs, lived less than 8,000 years ago.
If YEC had any validity then you'd be jumping out of your seat presenting the evidence and reasons its true. All you can do is hold up your holy book and proclaim your irrational certainty in a literal/inerrant/fundamentalist interpretation. Ok, SHOW US what you claim is supported by evidence and reason! That is what debating is all about. Do you only have opinion?
All you have is criticism about "holes" in evolution. Do you have ANYTHING that shows YEC is true?
Whether derived through facts or prima facie in nature.....TRUTH is not based upon assumption. I believe the field that you wish to engage is Philosophy not SCIENCE. You know the supposed question of the ages....WHAT IS TRUTH, What is the purpose of man...yada, yada, yada, a field that accepts the ignorance of asking a question that is ASSUMED has no answer as a sign of supposed intellect instead of pomposity, simply because you do not like the answer to the question.......Intelligent Design.
Such Pomposity even has Stephen Hawking rejecting Physical Science in a emotional need to dismiss God from the equation with his latest insane suggestion, "The Universe Spontaneously popped into existence from Nothing." Science...real science proves that if there ever was a time when nothing is all that existed, NOTHING WOULD STILL BE IN EXISTENCE TODAY as -0- + -0- = -0-
Last edited by Walter; 03-04-11 at 07:03 PM.
no debate here with me
I believe in god
I also believe in evolution, god gave me a brain and I simply choose to USE it like he intended
If there's a god, damn it she won't mind.
If there's a god, baby she won't mind.
Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then
When I was 7, due to pressure from relatives, my family started attending church. The first few times I was in the pews, but I was old enough so I was dropped off in Bible study for little kids. The class was studying Noah and the Ark. New to this stuff I thought it was a silly story, could never happen like that, and said so. I got stood in the corner. I told my Mom about it, she was upset, Dad not so much, so we went the following week. The next class got my knuckles rapped with a ruler and stood in the corner. I recall loud words between the nun and my Mom in the hall. We never went back.
So, was I educated 7 year old? No. Was I rational? Yes. Was I being indoctrinated at a very young age? Yes. Was it ever going to work? No. Had scientists been indoctrinating me? No.
Now that Iím much older: Do I respect authority? Yes Do I question authority? Yes. Do I verify and test what Iím told? Yes? Do I believe in evolution? No. Do I think evolution is a proven fact? Yes. Still the same person I was at 7? Yes.
The feelings of a 7 year old are not evidence of anything as far as I can tell? So you did not think it was real, so what? You only went twice and did not like it either way.
At this point it has also added nothing to the debate?
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