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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    On the contrary, it is.



    Tell me, when have I ever discussed the term creationist as anything other than a literalists? Hint: never.

    Furthermore, I have made it abundantly clear in the past that when I say creationist, I mean YEC. Not the varying degrees of belief between YEC and atheist. So you interjecting I'm wrong on the basis of a definition of creationist I have never used here and made clear that I never will use is dishonest.

    Try again. And with less fail this time.



    Your post is based on a position I have clearly stated I have never made.

    Again, try with less fail.
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    Creationism: a doctrine or theory holding that matter, the various forms of life, and the world were created by God out of nothing and usually in the way described in Genesis — compare evolution 4b - http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/creationism


    It has little or nothing to do with YEC or any degree in between.

    So now we must read your mind and go by your unaccepted definition of words?
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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    So what happens when all of the objective evidence he has conflicts with his religious belief?
    It does not conflict. Again faith does not need evidence.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    How does he mesh the billions of year old light he studies with the gapping problem of only 6,000 years?
    That is up to the individual as faith AGAIN does not require evidence.
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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Amusing you berate me for things you do yourself. Hypocrite much?
    By saying you called people stupid based on a religious belief, I am berating you? Wow.

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    YECs are stupid. Probably because the belief itself requires a level of stupidity. It may be that stupidity is not required to start believing in it, but stupidity is required to maintain it.
    Then your first comment is "YECs are stupid.." I am not "berating" you, I am laughing at the lack of logic in your statements.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    For instance, the belief that the flood was indeed true. Despite the testable principles of water that a 5 year old can test in his tube. One YEC argued that God made layers contrary to how water acts. Except that he just argued God lied to man. Hence why I have argued in the past that YEC requires a liar God. And hence why YECs cannot be deemed to be Christians.
    And I rest my case.
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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Indeed. Blackdog has completely failed to understand that the creationist detractors here aren't taking digs at theistic views on evolution. They're taking digs at the crackpots who think the world is only 6,000 years old.

    I always find it amusing how people say evolution is only a theory. And then go use a pratical application of it.
    You do understand he was talking to Diggs, and not me?
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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Faith does not require objective evidence, science does.
    Then faith cannot be verified and is thus wishful thinking. You're not making a very good case for the validity of having faith.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Faith based organizations is what I meant to say. I was not talking about or including government aid.

    In the end it is irrelevant to my point. The point is lots of faith based money going to charity etc.
    What the hell is "faith based money"? Money given by religious people? Money is money. There's just as much, if not more, given by secular charities. Some of the largest charities out there, like the American Red Cross, are on the front lines of tragedy and disaster every day.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Then faith cannot be verified and is thus wishful thinking. You're not making a very good case for the validity of having faith.
    On the contrary, because he is arguing above science, he has made the best validation for faith.
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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    On the contrary, because he is arguing above science, he has made the best validation for faith.
    There's nothing "above" reality, sorry. Just because he has a lofty delusion doesn't make it any less of a delusion.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Then faith cannot be verified and is thus wishful thinking.
    Faith does not need to be verified by anyone but the person with said faith. Science on the other hand need needs to be objectively verified or it is nothing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    You're not making a very good case for the validity of having faith.
    I am not making a case for or against faith. I am saying they are two different things and not only are they not comparable, they and not in conflict.
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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Faith does not need to be verified by anyone but the person with said faith. Science on the other hand need

    You're not making a very good case for the validity of having faith.
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    No, faith cannot be verified because anyone can have faith in anything they want, whether it's true or not. You can have faith in leprechauns and Santa Claus if you like, even though we know those things simply are not true.

    Faith means nothing except to the emotionally and intellectually weak.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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