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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    Yeah, I know.

    He's different in religion, he refuses to look at anything but the Bible, which is a little closeminded.
    How does he get over the issue that YEC requires God to be a liar? After all, if the world was only 6,000 years old, then basically physics doesn't apply in practice as to what we see today. Either God lied in the Torah or he is lying to us now as to how the world operates.

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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Faith does not require objective evidence, science does.
    So what happens when all of the objective evidence he has conflicts with his religious belief? How does he mesh the billions of year old light he studies with the gapping problem of only 6,000 years?
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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That depends on what you mean by "creationism". If you believe that Genesis is to be taken literally, then yes, I can see how you would find it offensive. If you believe that evolution was the way that god created life, then there is no need to be offended.

    What I find absolutely incomprehensible is that some people still, now in the 21st. century no less, say that evolution is "just a theory" and is not to be taken as accurate.
    Indeed. Blackdog has completely failed to understand that the creationist detractors here aren't taking digs at theistic views on evolution. They're taking digs at the crackpots who think the world is only 6,000 years old.

    I always find it amusing how people say evolution is only a theory. And then go use a pratical application of it.
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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    It is illogical, and not paying attention to facts to say that the Earth isn't older than 6,000 years old. I'm religious and I do believe in evolution, and I really don't see how people seem to think that those two are incompatible. Evolution as a theory doesn't say anything about how life began, just how live changes, and adapts to the world around us.
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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    I say, it is more of a debate between fundamentalists and everyone else.
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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I consider it more a debate between the educated and the ignorant.
    Perhaps.

    Kinda depends on how much the supporter of evolutionary theory knows about his side of the argument, doesn't it?

    Doesn't that comment also fail to recognize that there are many religiously devout persons that have evaluated evolution and accepted that evolution has happened though they reject the necessary element of random mutation in favor of "intelligent design"?

    Your statement is starkly black and white and illustrates not a condition of the evolution/creation debate but only your personal biases.

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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    It is illogical, and not paying attention to facts to say that the Earth isn't older than 6,000 years old. I'm religious and I do believe in evolution, and I really don't see how people seem to think that those two are incompatible. Evolution as a theory doesn't say anything about how life began, just how live changes, and adapts to the world around us.
    Well, Mayor Snorkum will explain where religion and evolutionary science cannot be reconciled.

    At the heart of evolutionary theory is the assertion that the random genetic changes the provide the variances upon which selection occurs are indeed random. They're caused by faulty gene splices, or damage to the chromosomes by radiation or other process, and many other events driven by statistical chance. In pure evolutionary theory, there is not guiding hand, there is not foreordained path to the appearance of man. Evolution states, and this is what got Darwin in hot water, that man was not granted a preferred place in the animal kingdom, he is just one more animal in the zoo.

    Most religions place man in some special place in the eyes of the Creator, and thus cannot be reconciled with Darwin.

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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    What is a scientific theory?







    The theory of evolution is not just a theory. It is a scientific theory.
    A theory can be revised and still be wrong. Evolution has not been proven and is a mere speculation of how life arose.
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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    A theory can be revised and still be wrong. Evolution has not been proven and is a mere speculation of how life arose.
    You have to admit, evolution is the best we got right now.
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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    Well, Mayor Snorkum will explain where religion and evolutionary science cannot be reconciled.

    At the heart of evolutionary theory is the assertion that the random genetic changes the provide the variances upon which selection occurs are indeed random. They're caused by faulty gene splices, or damage to the chromosomes by radiation or other process, and many other events driven by statistical chance. In pure evolutionary theory, there is not guiding hand, there is not foreordained path to the appearance of man. Evolution states, and this is what got Darwin in hot water, that man was not granted a preferred place in the animal kingdom, he is just one more animal in the zoo.

    Most religions place man in some special place in the eyes of the Creator, and thus cannot be reconciled with Darwin.
    The heart of evolutionary theory is adaptation, and the survival of the fittest. Animals have mutations, and the ones with the good mutations survive, reproduce, and pass on their genes, and the ones with the bad mutations die off. Now those mutations could have been because of random chance, or maybe not, or maybe both. Now as to the beginning of life, well evolution provides no answer to that, just how life adapts to the surrounding environment.
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