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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    But we cannot ignore the fact that some religious people are. And some are truly retarded. This one creationist I met (a few others tangled with him) argued that the flood and Genesis was literally true. When confronted with the issue of the geological record not sorting species by mass and shape, he basically argued that water doesn't sort by mass and shape. Except that you can test this. In your sink. A 5 lb dinosaur should end up on average, at a higher strata then a woolly mammoth. They don't. Ever. The problem with some evolution deniers is that they basically have a belief that requires their God to be a greatest deceiver of all time.
    So because one person is stupid, we must not ignore this fact and judge all people on the basis that some people are stupid? OK. Your logic makes perfect sense.
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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    So because one person is stupid, we must not ignore this fact and judge all people on the basis that some people are stupid? OK. Your logic makes perfect sense.
    I've often used the stupid person equation in life.
    Whenever anyone tells me what the average human does in whatever, I always think, well, a good half of those are pretty dam stupid, so....
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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Right off hand, I would say that intelligence comes into play when it comes to understanding allegory. An intelligent person of faith understands that creation stories are allegorical rather than literal, and so do not reject science when it comes to the way science reveals the workings of their God. Unintelligent people do not.

    The tendency towards dogmatic belief is certainly not limited to people of faith, either, as various forms of political dogmatism are prevalent across the political spectrum.

    I'd say that the real schism isn't between science and religion or between intelligence and lack thereof, but between dogmatism and the ability to think with an open mind.
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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    I've often used the stupid person equation in life.
    Whenever anyone tells me what the average human does in whatever, I always think, well, a good half of those are pretty dam stupid, so....
    I don't disagree, but he is basically saying anyone who is a creationist is stupid. Some very intelligent people who are creationist for whatever reason can not be judged as stupid based on that belief alone.
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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    But we cannot ignore the fact that some religious people are. And some are truly retarded. This one creationist I met (a few others tangled with him) argued that the flood and Genesis was literally true. When confronted with the issue of the geological record not sorting species by mass and shape, he basically argued that water doesn't sort by mass and shape. Except that you can test this. In your sink. A 5 lb dinosaur should end up on average, at a higher strata then a woolly mammoth. They don't. Ever. The problem with some evolution deniers is that they basically have a belief that requires their God to be a greatest deceiver of all time.
    Some nonreligious people are too. Being religious or not is irrelevant.
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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I don't disagree, but he is basically saying anyone who is a creationist is stupid. Some very intelligent people who are creationist for whatever reason can not be judged as stupid based on that belief alone.
    Completely true. I know a brilliant physicist who graduated summa cum laude from harvard but is a jehovahs witness and believes the world is 6000 years old.
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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    Completely true. I know a brilliant physicist who graduated summa cum laude from harvard but is a jehovahs witness and believes the world is 6000 years old.
    You can believe the moon is made of green cheese as long as you don't profess to be an astrophysicist. Even creationists acknowledge evolution sufficient to the purposes of all but the most specialized fields.

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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by iamitter View Post
    Completely true. I know a brilliant physicist who graduated summa cum laude from harvard but is a jehovahs witness and believes the world is 6000 years old.
    Which is irrelevant. Humans have an amazing ability to compartmentalize. Your physicist friend may be brilliant in his physics, but in his religious views, he certainly isn't.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: In the US: Is the debate on evolution between scientists and the religious?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Which is irrelevant. Humans have an amazing ability to compartmentalize. Your physicist friend may be brilliant in his physics, but in his religious views, he certainly isn't.
    Yeah, I know.

    He's different in religion, he refuses to look at anything but the Bible, which is a little closeminded.
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