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  • All parents should be allowed to choose whether or not to vaccinate their kids

    9 26.47%
  • The government should require vaccines for all children attending public schools

    18 52.94%
  • Parents who don't vaccinate their kids should be subject to child neglect laws

    5 14.71%
  • The government should require vaccines for everyone

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  • Vaccines should be required, but people with legitimate religious objections should be exempted

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Thread: Government policy on vaccines

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    Re: Government policy on vaccines

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I'm happy with the way it is; where core vaccinations are mandatory, vaccinations for more uncommon diseases are standard but can be opted out of, and you have to seek the flue shot.

    I know you're talking about children, but I was ordered to take the flue shot for the first time in my life while at Fort Leonard Wood, and I caught the flue. I've never had the flue or the flue shot before, and if I have my way I won't ever again. Good luck to me getting my way in the military, though
    Uh... You do realise how a vaccination works, right?

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    Re: Government policy on vaccines

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    What do you think government policy should be on immunizations for children/adolescents?
    It should be only up to the parent if a child receives a vaccine, nor should parents be extorted by government to vaccinate their children as a means of enrolling their child in mandatory education. The government should not force civilians to take vaccine injections,especially when the government made a law saying you can't sue drug makers for serious side effects of their vaccines,some vaccines do carry side effects and the fact the government has conducted STD experimented on civilians.

    Supreme Court vaccine ruling: parents can't sue drug makers for kids' health problems - Crimesider - CBS News
    (AP) WASHINGTON, D.C. - The Supreme Court ruled Tuesday that a federal law prohibits lawsuits against drug makers over serious side effects from childhood vaccines.

    The court voted 6-2 against the parents of a child who sued the drug maker Wyeth in Pennsylvania state court, for the health problems they say their daughter, now 19, suffered from a vaccine she received in infancy.

    U.S. apologizes for STD experiments in Guatemala - Health - Sexual health - msnbc.com
    U.S. government medical researchers intentionally infected hundreds of people in Guatemala, including institutionalized mental patients, with gonorrhea and syphilis without their knowledge or permission more than 60 years ago.


    http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm
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    Re: Government policy on vaccines

    Parents have a right to choose (along with the child him/herself) in all cases except those where excessive harm is done to the child. For example, a parent can't choose to cut off their child's hand. A parent also can't choose to starve their child as a punishment. The list goes on. In these cases the safety of the child is in question and the government should intervene.

    As for this case... any child going to a public school should be required to be vaccinated (because of health issues at the school, and the danger to others). Should parents be subject to child neglect laws on this? Well it depends what they're vaccinating against. If you're vaccinating against the regular flu then obviously not, but if there was a sufficient risk that the child would contract a disease, then I suppose you could hold parents liable. It's all a question of degrees.

    The government absolutely should not be deciding which religious reasons are "legitimate". Seems to me that religion is 100% irrelevant to this case. Being religious shouldn't exempt you from the law, if you're religious you fit your religion around the law of the land. Fundamentalist Muslims can't cut off their child's hand for stealing; Fundamentalist Christians or whatever else can't prevent their child from being vaccinated because of their religious convictions, in the case that it IS abusive to deny the child the vaccine.

    The very definition of a religiously tyrannical government is one that attempts to decide which religions are "valid". Government should have no opinion on religion.

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    Re: Government policy on vaccines

    Great thread.

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    Keep rocking DP.

    Vaccinations for all.

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    Re: Government policy on vaccines

    Quote Originally Posted by SirPwn4lot View Post
    Parents have a right to choose (along with the child him/herself) in all cases except those where excessive harm is done to the child. For example, a parent can't choose to cut off their child's hand. A parent also can't choose to starve their child as a punishment. The list goes on. In these cases the safety of the child is in question and the government should intervene.

    As for this case... any child going to a public school should be required to be vaccinated (because of health issues at the school, and the danger to others).
    How is a un-vaccinated child a danger to those who are vaccinated?
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    Re: Government policy on vaccines

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    How is a un-vaccinated child a danger to those who are vaccinated?
    Talking about having a bunch of un-vaccinated children at school, and how easily a breakout could occur if they're interacting regularly. Again, it depends what they're being vaccinated against.

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    Re: Government policy on vaccines

    Quote Originally Posted by SirPwn4lot View Post
    Talking about having a bunch of un-vaccinated children at school, and how easily a breakout could occur if they're interacting regularly. Again, it depends what they're being vaccinated against.
    Concerning unvaccinated kids at school - that's *why* I vaccinate my kids - because others don't. Some can't, even, because of conflicting health issues - therfor, it heightens their chances of becoming ill and heightens my reason to vaccinate.

    Even if I thought everyone did vaccinate - I'd still do it. . . because my husband and others travel internationally - and we are in contacts with others who travel from other countries into the US.
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    Re: Government policy on vaccines

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    How is a un-vaccinated child a danger to those who are vaccinated?
    They aren't; they're a danger to other people who are unvaccinated...including some who CAN'T be vaccinated due to medical concerns, and are thus at the mercy of whatever diseases other people are carrying. Herd immunity is a very powerful effect, and the tipping point is often very narrowly defined. For example, some unvaccinated people might have virtually no immunity to a certain disease if 87% of the public was vaccinated, but almost total immunity to the same disease if 88% of the public was vaccinated. The benefits of herd immunity are more than enough reason for government to be involved IMO.
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    Re: Government policy on vaccines

    Quote Originally Posted by Gapeach View Post
    I did not get my children vaccines until school. Well they had a few but I believe they were too close together and dont need them all at once. I know this might sound odd but I didnt have that many shots growing up and my immune system is great. My kids also have never been really sick besides an occasional cough or sneeze and I go get them flu shots. However almost all my kids are in school so they do have what is required to attend school. Also I had an awful experience with my oldest daughter when she received shots when she was 6 mths old. My insurance denied us changing doctors so we stopped going.
    Your children are benefiting from the suffering of other kids. Consider this, in a population of 100, if 95 of the population is vaccinated, the chance of disease spread from 1 individual is low because virtually all of potential hosts are immune. Therefore, those 5 individuals can essentially free ride off of the other 95. The problem is when the percent of non-vaccinated start to increase to the level where the number of potential hosts that aren't immune reaches a certain point. At that point, we get mass breakouts like we've seen last year of measles, mumps and whopping cough. As long as there are the vast majority of immunized people, it's fine for a few people not to get vaccinated.
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    Re: Government policy on vaccines

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Your children are benefiting from the suffering of other kids. Consider this, in a population of 100, if 95 of the population is vaccinated, the chance of disease spread from 1 individual is low because virtually all of potential hosts are immune. Therefore, those 5 individuals can essentially free ride off of the other 95. The problem is when the percent of non-vaccinated start to increase to the level where the number of potential hosts that aren't immune reaches a certain point. At that point, we get mass breakouts like we've seen last year of measles, mumps and whopping cough. As long as there are the vast majority of immunized people, it's fine for a few people not to get vaccinated.
    Looking at it that way is pure economics and I agree with the logic, but from a personal responsibility standpoint I'm not really bothered. Even if the number of vaccinated people falls to 50%, those people will be protected from disease. In other words they won't get infected. People who are choosing to get infected are choosing to suffer.

    The epidemics of the past were due to vaccines not being invented yet, so people had no choice but to be negatively exposed. In today's world, if they're being exposed in the U.S. it's because of their choices, and honestly I'm okay with that. Most infectious diseases are either directly curable or the medical system is advanced to a stage where they can be put on supportive therapy while their own body does the work. Since the U.S. has no universal health care, that means the person or their insurance company foots the bill. I don't have a problem with that.

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