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    Re: Are you evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Evil is a normative condition that is as universally established as gravity. If a person prizes honesty and kindness toward others above pleasure or material gain, then they do good; they wouldn't be that way unless they were considerate of everybody. If they think of other people as impersonalities who need to be used to further their self-interests, then they do evil.

    Everybody knows that.
    Firstly, your comment is a matter of perspective. Perceiving others are impersonalities who need to be used to further individual self-interests may not be evil to that individual. Remember, they do evil to that other person, not necessarily to the individual perpetrating the "evil". To THEM, it is not evil. So, if we are going to define this, are you subscribing to the position of a collective definition of evil?
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    Re: Are you evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    There are plenty of things I could do that would subvert your free will, life, or happiness, some that might even be considered acts of self interest, but I wouldn't consider them evil.

    A basic example would be if I killed you in self defense, I would feel completely justified and my motives would've been purely about self interest (I value my life way more than I value the life of my attacker). Almost all people justify their actions and consider them to be necessary to achieve some worthwhile goal or greater good. Only cartoon villians commit villiany for the sake of the evulz!

    We have subjective opinions about right and wrong, good and evil. Just look at history and we can see countless things that were perfectly acceptable or even encouraged back in the day that we find totally reprehensible now. What changed? Our definition of what is right or good and what is wrong or evil.
    Killing me in self-defense would be justifiably good, but not perfectly so. Perfect goodness would require you abstain from any practice of which evil is a component. Justice enables you to indulge in evil on a purely reactionary level. It's a compromise between being a sacrificial lamb and a complete monster.
    Last edited by Morality Games; 02-24-11 at 02:22 AM.
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    Re: Are you evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Killing me in self-defense would be justifiably good, but not perfectly good. Perfect goodness would require you abstain from any practice of which evil is a component. Justified defense enables you to indulge in evil on a purely reactionary level.
    So, whether behavior is evil or not is relative.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Are you evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I'm very evil.
    No you are not and why would you wanna be? Real evil cannot be defined and you do not strike me as someone that enjoys hanging humans up on hooks as they do animals. While you may wish to come off as evil on a sexual tip? That is fine but when you say you are evil? Well it equals danger. I have a feeling you are not evil nor even half way pulling off that scary vibe. But that is just my thinking
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    Re: Are you evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kali View Post
    No you are not and why would you wanna be? Real evil cannot be defined and you do not strike me as someone that enjoys hanging humans up on hooks as they do animals. While you may wish to come off as evil on a sexual tip? That is fine but when you say you are evil? Well it equals danger. I have a feeling you are not evil nor even half way pulling off that scary vibe. But that is just my thinking
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    Re: Are you evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    So, whether behavior is evil or not is relative.
    No. Perceiving other people to be human beings with feelings and wills of their own and perceiving them to be puppets are distinct sensations. Goodness abides in one experience, evil in the other. There is nothing relative about it.

    For example, when you respond to other people on this forum, how much do you consider them people with feelings like your own and how much are they an opportunity to assert your own intelligence and power? When you see a person spouting nonsense, do you think how to let them down gently and kindly or how you can make sport of them to delight yourself and raise your stature in your eyes and the eyes of others?

    If you are more concerned with other peoples' welfare, you must be good. If you are out for yourself, then you must be evil.

    Firstly, your comment is a matter of perspective. Perceiving others are impersonalities who need to be used to further individual self-interests may not be evil to that individual. Remember, they do evil to that other person, not necessarily to the individual perpetrating the "evil". To THEM, it is not evil. So, if we are going to define this, are you subscribing to the position of a collective definition of evil?
    Language conceptualizes reality, it does not create it. Definitions are only good so long as they tell the truth.
    Last edited by Morality Games; 02-24-11 at 02:32 AM.
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    Re: Are you evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Killing me in self-defense would be justifiably good, but not perfectly so. Perfect goodness would require you abstain from any practice of which evil is a component. Justice enables you to indulge in evil on a purely reactionary level. It's a compromise between being a sacrificial lamb and a complete monster.
    So perfect goodness would require me to abstain from attacking a murderer who is slaughtering a group of school children? That sounds like absolute pacifism, which I reject as an evil and selfish philosophy. Force, sometimes even deadly force, is at times neccessary. I don't consider violence in self defense or in the defense of others to be even slightly evil. I consider it to be noble and admirable (i.e. good), and is far better than the pacifist who holds his lofty principles above the well being of his fellow man.

    So you can see just by our disagreement here that humans have subjective perceptions when it comes to good and evil.
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    Re: Are you evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by Psychoclown View Post
    So perfect goodness would require me to abstain from attacking a murderer who is slaughtering a group of school children? That sounds like absolute pacifism, which I reject as an evil and selfish philosophy. Force, sometimes even deadly force, is at times neccessary. I don't consider violence in self defense or in the defense of others to be even slightly evil. I consider it to be noble and admirable (i.e. good), and is far better than the pacifist who holds his lofty principles above the well being of his fellow man.

    So you can see just by our disagreement here that humans have subjective perceptions when it comes to good and evil.
    Neither the world nor human nature support goodness. Perfect goodness requires you deny both.

    In this world, there is no perfect way to resolve a situation where a person is attacking a bunch of school children; if perfection were possible, it wouldn't be happening at all.

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    Not exactly pacifism; you would be pacifistic as possible so far as your own interests were concerned, but there would be great liberty to use violence in the defense of others. However, you would try to delay or disarm the attacker rather than kill him. If you killed him, you would try to repent.
    Last edited by Morality Games; 02-24-11 at 02:42 AM.
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    Re: Are you evil?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    No. Perceiving other people to be human beings with feelings and wills of their own and perceiving them to be puppets are distinct sensations. Goodness abides in one experience, evil in the other. There is nothing relative about it.
    So, you are ascribing to a collective definition of evil. I do not agree. Morality is relative both to the individual and the situation. If I perceive others as being evil, based on my own morality, using them as puppets to cease their evil acts may, in and of itself, be non-evil acts.

    For example, when you respond to other people on this forum, how much do you consider them people with feelings like your own and how much are they an opportunity to assert your own intelligence and power? When you see a person spouting nonsense, do you think how to let them down gently and kindly or how you can make sport of them to delight yourself and raise your stature in your eyes and the eyes of others?

    If you are more concerned with other peoples' welfare, you must be good. If you are out for yourself, then you must be evil.
    Again, all of this depends on the situation. If someone is attacking someone else, I may care about the attacked individual's personal welfare, but not the attacker's, acting accordingly. It is the relativity of the situation that defines the morality of it.



    Language conceptualizes reality, it does not create it. Definitions are only good so long as they tell the truth.
    Moral truth is not absolute, but relative to the situation and individual. This is how we get our definitions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: Are you evil?

    So, you are ascribing to a collective definition of evil. I do not agree. Morality is relative both to the individual and the situation. If I perceive others as being evil, based on my own morality, using them as puppets to cease their evil acts may, in and of itself, be non-evil acts.
    You seem to feel compelled to phrase it altruistically. That wouldn't matter subjectively speaking.

    Your action definitely does not live up to the standard of perfect goodness. How good or evil it is is relative, but to the sincerity of your intentions, not your aesthetic whims.

    Moral truth is not absolute, but relative to the situation and individual. This is how we get our definitions.
    Morality is an aspect of human existence rotating around conscience, which decides whether we are doing right by other people. When conscience is active, it considers whether we have respected other people's freedom and happiness to the best of our abilities. When it is inactive, we don't care about such things; only about aesthetic pursuits and personal pleasure. Unethical people have no ability to recognize other people have needs and desires as valid as their own.

    We get our definitions for good and evil the same way we get them about gravity, except instead of physics we study the architecture of human nature.
    Last edited by Morality Games; 02-24-11 at 02:57 AM.
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