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If people were perfect, what would be the best form of government?

If people were perfect, what would be the best form of government?

  • A libertarian state- complete liberty

    Votes: 9 28.1%

  • Communism- complete equality and unison of goals

    Votes: 8 25.0%

  • A Representative Democracy

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other- Explain

    Votes: 15 46.9%
  • Total voters
    32
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If people had ideal morality, what would be the best form of government? Suggesting what should we ideally strive for as our society evoles morally. and why?

1) A libertarian state- complete liberty

2) Communism- complete equality and unison of goals

3) A Perfect Representative Democracy

4) Other- explain
 
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If people were perfect I don't think we'd need political systems of any sort.
 
so a libertarian state?

By people being perfect i mean they have perfect morality.
 
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celticwar17 said:
If people were perfect, what would be the best form of government? Suggesting what should we ideally strive for as our society evoles morally. and why?

1) A libertarian state- complete liberty

2) Communism- complete equality and unison of goals

3) A Perfect Representative Democracy

4) Other- explain
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If people were perfect, than any political system would work. But I think we would likely live in an anarchy.
 
Hatuey said:
If people were perfect I don't think we'd need political systems of any sort.
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I think one could argue that you would still need government to have an organized way to help the poor and disabled.
 
celticwar17 said:
so a libertarian state?

By people being perfect i mean they have perfect morality.
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No. A Libertarian system is still a system of government. Or are you saying that Libertarianism is anarchic in nature? Careful with your answer.
 
celticwar17 said:
I think one could argue that you would still need government to have an organized way to help the poor and disabled.
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I doubt it, if we have perfect morality, than whats mine is yours and whats yours is mine.
 
Hatuey said:
No. A Libertarian system is still a system of government. Or are you saying that Libertarianism is anarchic in nature? Careful with your answer.
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A perfect libertarian state would promote complete liberty, and in this case if people were totally perfect... it would be ideally anarchic... in my opinion

but a libertarian state in our current world would not be anarchic, becuase there is a need for the government to protect people from thier liberty being conflicted with.
 
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celticwar17 said:
A perfect libertarian state would promote complete liberty, and in this case if people were totally perfect... it would be ideally anarchic... in my opinion
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If we had perfect morality, I doubt we would care about much of anything except doing the right thing and we would all agree on what that right thing was. The problem is that no only are people not perfectly moral, but they don't even agree on morality itself. So, we would have to define what perfect morality was before we could come up with any sort of hypothetical society based on it.
 
megaprogman said:
If we had perfect morality, I doubt we would care about much of anything except doing the right thing and we would all agree on what that right thing was. The problem is that no only are people not perfectly moral, but they don't even agree on morality itself. So, we would have to define what perfect morality was before we could come up with any sort of hypothetical society based on it.
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Could it mean that having a perfect morality-in itself, realizing there can be multiple truths and there can be no fair answer to a question, but then a government would be needed to regulate the representation of all the truths?
 
All im trying to say that this poll can have alternate opinion that isn't retarded, so any answer you choose can be justified by ones opinion. Because your making it sound like i asked a stupid question. Which i don't think i did, because the various answer's can be chosen based on each person's ideal means of morality. Because i don't think my ideal is the same as your ideal.
 
celticwar17 said:
Could it mean that having a perfect morality-in itself, realizing there can be multiple truths and there can be no fair answer to a question, but then a government would be needed to regulate the representation of all the truths?
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I don't know if it works very well. If we have perfect morality than we behave according to how we believe we should behave. If I am a psychopath and believe that it is the right way of life, I would call myself moral but others would call me immoral.
 
megaprogman said:
So, we would have to define what perfect morality was before we could come up with any sort of hypothetical society based on it.
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I purposely did not state what perfect morality was because all of our idea's of perfect morality may be different, which would reflect the answer's in the poll. You didn't discover my fault in the question, but my purpose for the question.
 
celticwar17 said:
If people had ideal morality, what would be the best form of government? Suggesting what should we ideally strive for as our society evoles morally. and why?

1) A libertarian state- complete liberty

2) Communism- complete equality and unison of goals

3) A Perfect Representative Democracy

4) Other- explain
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Your thread title has nothing to do with your question. If people were perfect there would be no need for a government as we would all never do anything wrong.

As for your post question there is no ideal government. As long as humans are fallible thier government will be fallible and subject to corruption and greed.
 
celticwar17 said:
If people had ideal morality, what would be the best form of government? Suggesting what should we ideally strive for as our society evoles morally. and why?

1) A libertarian state- complete liberty

2) Communism- complete equality and unison of goals

3) A Perfect Representative Democracy

4) Other- explain
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If people were perfect, the best form of government would be no government. Granting the perfection of humanity, anarchy becomes the best option.
 
Ikari said:
If people were perfect, the best form of government would be no government. Granting the perfection of humanity, anarchy becomes the best option.
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Most likely, there would be no need for people to take up people's slack.
 
Kal'Stang said:
If people were perfect there would be no need for a government as we would all never do anything wrong.
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It is true that people would not be able to do wrong, but there would still be older, sick, and poor. The question that comes from this is wether we are ideally morally responsible to help these people? we need a government to organize the distribute to them? Or are they just responsible for thier own needs? It can be questionable whether we need government or not! Hence i did a poll to demonstrate this difference in opinion. People's opinion on how ideal morlity reaches an ideal government can differ on the basis of we all have different points of view of what ideal morality is.

If you want to bash the question, you need to think about it more... it's broad for the reason to not rule out anyone else's opinion. Trying to make it the least biased as possible.

Kal'Stang said:
Your thread title has nothing to do with your question... QUOTE]
Kal'Stang said:
As for your post question there is no ideal government. As long as humans are fallible thier government will be fallible and subject to corruption and greed. QUOTES]

My question is the same! "If people had ideal morality, what would be the best form of government?" All i did was further clarify the word 'Perfect' = "perfect morality"

"Suggesting what should we ideally strive for as our society evoles morally" This part of the post question was leading the discussion to reflect how your answer to the poll question might reflect what you think we should should aim for as society improves (evolves morally).
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If people were perfect there would be no need for government. But if I had to choose one I'd probably say benevolent monarchy.
 
It is true that people would not be able to do wrong, but there would still be older, sick, and poor.
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How would there be sick or poor people if everyone was perfect. We would have Doctors who cure all illnesses for free and the poor would have jobs which then makes them not poor. In a perfect world, people help themselves and others help them without payment or someone asking. Therefore, if all people are perfect and I mean all...there is no sense in having a ruling gov't because there would be no wrong nor responsibility needing to delegate what individuals can do for themselves.
 
If perfect means no greed, no lies, no rich, no poor, no crime, no guns, no jails, no wars, no politics, no prejudice, no hate, equal medical, education, houses, cars, for all, then socialism might work.

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molten_dragon said:
If people were perfect, there would be no need for government.
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Yup. I didn't really vote in the poll. While I like libertarianism and the ideals it holds, it is a philosophy of the real world. It's not anarchist. But if all the ideals could be satisfied, anarchy would be the preferred state of being. Libertarianism merely recognizes the failings of anarchy and seeks to maximize freedom while understanding and using the need for government. It has to exist, but we should keep it as small as we can get away with.
 
Gapeach said:
How would there be sick or poor people if everyone was perfect. We would have Doctors who cure all illnesses for free and the poor would have jobs which then makes them not poor. In a perfect world, people help themselves and others help them without payment or someone asking. Therefore, if all people are perfect and I mean all...there is no sense in having a ruling gov't because there would be no wrong nor responsibility needing to delegate what individuals can do for themselves.
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You try to make the world less complicated if everyone was perfectly moral. But the world would STILL be just as complicated, i would argue. Because, i don't think doctor's would cure people for free because i think there is some merit for being a doctor in the first place, meaning the effort of doing the schooling and the practice would need to be compensated. Remember, in a perfect moral world, EVERYONE would be moral not just those that can help others. A perfectly moral sick man may refuse treatment if he could not pay or compensate for the perfectly moral doctor's service who would do it for free. In a Moral world everything would work backwards because peoples motivations for doing things would just be for fairness and charity, but everyone would experience motivation even when they are in need. I think to be humble in it's self is ideally moral.

But anyway, Ive heard from many people saying that "In a perfect world Communism would be great" or "In a a perfect world Anarchy would work." This just shows how we can idealize morality to be complete liberty or complete equality. I think equality conflicts with liberty, because the effort of making everyone have equal everything does not allow the situation of someone to have more then a another, which is a negation of liberty.

Again i think people are way to quick to judge this question.
 
celticwar17 said:
so a libertarian state?

By people being perfect i mean they have perfect morality.
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If "perfect" morally, then there would be a need for some government.
If "perfect - absolutely", then still a need for some, I think.
Awfully hard to imagine such a world.
Impossible to have only communism or libertarianism by themselves, I voted other.
 
If everyone was perfect, it'd be anarcho-communism, with there being no government, and everyone would share what's necessary for everyone else to live well.
 
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