View Poll Results: If people were perfect, what would be the best form of government?

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Thread: If people were perfect, what would be the best form of government?

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    Re: If people were perfect, what would be the best form of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    If people were perfect, there would be no need for government.
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    No government might work for small communities, but not in a country with so many different elements to keep track of. Nothing falls in place by itself. Someone has to make decisions, someone has to deal the cards.

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    Re: If people were perfect, what would be the best form of government?

    We would always have some sort of governance. Even in the early tribal days, there were always tribal elders who were in charge because they had the wisdom of the ages. Humans have always given up some freedom in exchange for governance.

    Given that, I chose a libertarian state. We have never had a true democracy so we don't even know what that would look like for something as big as the U.S. Communism defined as "complete unison of goals" is also unworkable. Just because people achieve perfection does not mean everyone has the same goal in mind.

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    Re: If people were perfect, what would be the best form of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
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    No government might work for small communities, but not in a country with so many different elements to keep track of. Nothing falls in place by itself. Someone has to make decisions, someone has to deal the cards.

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    Re: If people were perfect, what would be the best form of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    We would always have some sort of governance. Even in the early tribal days, there were always tribal elders who were in charge because they had the wisdom of the ages. Humans have always given up some freedom in exchange for governance.

    Given that, I chose a libertarian state. We have never had a true democracy so we don't even know what that would look like for something as big as the U.S. Communism defined as "complete unison of goals" is also unworkable. Just because people achieve perfection does not mean everyone has the same goal in mind.
    So you are declaring these "early" tribal days were governed by perfect human beings? And if not, by what logic do you project that government is always a part of human existence...even the perfect? There has been but one perfect human being to walk the earth, and that required an act of divinity.

    Question? If those early tribal days were so perfect as compared to modern society...why has the life span of man exponentially evolved in modern times as compared to the more "organic" times of these PERFECT early tribes who supposedly possessed the WISDOM OF THE AGES? To even suggest that man is capable of going through life void of making a mistake (perfection) is absurd...because learning from those mistakes is what generates WISDOM, there has never been a perfect society upon earth and there never will be.

    But, capitalism as regulated via republican representation has been demonstrated by the grand societal experiment known as the United States to have produced the most truly FREE, GENEROUS, and PROTECTIVE society upon the face of the earth void of class warfare (unless you are a progressive) where no one is born into royalty and where anyone from any walk of life has the unalienable right to move along a societal line beginning at the bottom and going anywhere along that line that your freedom and individual exceptionalism allows, depending upon your work ethic. Capitalism forces no one to engage in any activity they do not wish to engage (again, unless you are a progressive that demands people to purchase a product from BIG BROTHER) ....every activity is regulated by a free will demand of a product or service that always helps mankind to live a more comfortable and relaxed life.
    Last edited by Walter; 02-24-11 at 08:23 PM.

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    Re: If people were perfect, what would be the best form of government?

    The perfect government would be megahypercommunism run by an evolving constantly learning exponentially supercomputer megabrain radio linked into the cognitive moderation chips installed in every citizen, sending them blasting off into space bringing their reign of supermegahypercommunism to the entire universe. For sport of course.

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    Re: If people were perfect, what would be the best form of government?

    In a world of Jesuses, no law would be required.
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
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    Re: If people were perfect, what would be the best form of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    In a world of Jesuses, no law would be required.
    And we would all have cool super powers.

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    Re: If people were perfect, what would be the best form of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    If people were perfect, or in the words of Madison "angels," we would need NO government.
    The existence of Satan would seem to argue that even the angels are imperfect and in need of government.

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    Re: If people were perfect, what would be the best form of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    And we would all have cool super powers.
    But you wouldn't be able to go in the ocean without getting drunk.
    So follow me into the desert
    As desperate as you are
    Where the moon is glued to a picture of heaven
    And all the little pigs have God

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    Re: If people were perfect, what would be the best form of government?

    Quote Originally Posted by Walter View Post
    So you are declaring these "early" tribal days were governed by perfect human beings? And if not, by what logic do you project that government is always a part of human existence...even the perfect? There has been but one perfect human being to walk the earth, and that required an act of divinity.

    Question? If those early tribal days were so perfect as compared to modern society...why has the life span of man exponentially evolved in modern times as compared to the more "organic" times of these PERFECT early tribes who supposedly possessed the WISDOM OF THE AGES? To even suggest that man is capable of going through life void of making a mistake (perfection) is absurd...because learning from those mistakes is what generates WISDOM, there has never been a perfect society upon earth and there never will be.

    But, capitalism as regulated via republican representation has been demonstrated by the grand societal experiment known as the United States to have produced the most truly FREE, GENEROUS, and PROTECTIVE society upon the face of the earth void of class warfare (unless you are a progressive) where no one is born into royalty and where anyone from any walk of life has the unalienable right to move along a societal line beginning at the bottom and going anywhere along that line that your freedom and individual exceptionalism allows, depending upon your work ethic. Capitalism forces no one to engage in any activity they do not wish to engage (again, unless you are a progressive that demands people to purchase a product from BIG BROTHER) ....every activity is regulated by a free will demand of a product or service that always helps mankind to live a more comfortable and relaxed life.
    Boy oh boy. I never said the tribal days were governed by perfection. I was trying to show that even in a period where people lived more simply, they still wanted governance. It is the nature of human GROUPS to structure themselves into hierarchies. I would not call this an imperfection. If we didn't have it, we would not have succeeded as a species since humans have little else to go on apart from our social brains.

    It's useless to have this discussion because no one even knows what perfection would look like. We are talking in abstractions here. We might as well be talking about what the true nature of God is because as far as I know that is the only perfect force/being in nature. Yet that too is a useless debate. So instead I am drawing on the human past which shows us that even when humans were toiling in caves and gathering berries, they still had leaders who called the shots.

    If our world were more balanced, government would still exist, but it would probably operate in the absolute best interest of the whole human race, only putting forth things that make us better off and nothing that would hurt us. I think the better question is, if government could be more balanced and not full of nepotism, cronyism, human failings, and blatant corruption, what type of government would be best? That would be libertarian.

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