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    Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    The time is long past due to remove the Public Masters and reinstate the Public Servants......to put Taxpayer Rights, Property Rights, Employer Rights, and Voter Rights back on an equal playing field with the almighty "Worker's rights"......and to throw our Bankrupt cities, states, and country a lifeline to solvency rather than the wellstone of Union debt. The time has come to put Public Sector Unions on the endangered species list.

    Im not saying all Public Sector Unions are a detriment.......its just how collective bargaining ultimately ends. Im not saying there havent been instances when Unions have helped our society and economy........just not in the last 3 or 4 decades. Im not saying Union slobs are all to blame.....who wouldnt vote themselves a bloated salary, gold plated health care, diamond inlayed pension, a pay raise every two years, a lifetime exemption for accountability and responsibility, and have someone else pay for it all.......if you could.

    What I am saying.....is Im a realist. And in reality, rather than Union Imaginationland, the majority of people who pay for the bloated salaries, gold plated health care, and diamond inlayed pensions of these public sector union slobs, have a smaller salary and fewer benefits, if any benefits at all. Removing Public Sector Unions entirely from The Divided Socialist States of ObamAmerica isnt an attack on the poor or middle class, its a ****ing tax break for the poor and middle class......its the weight of millions of parasites lifted from the backs of the poor and middle class. For every poor and middle class private sector worker......its a federal tax cut, a property tax cut, a state income tax cut, a city income tax cut, a sales tax cut. Its a pay raise for for 4 out of every 5 American workers.....God Bless America.

    Regardless of how noble or heroic a role......Public Sector Unions and their members produce NOTHING....but bureaucracy and debt. The majority of Public Sector Union Jobs could be handled by the Private market for lower costs with better results. And while American Workers should have the right to Organize.....it shouldnt be on the back of the American Taxpayer. A long overdue welcome to all Public Sector Unions......back to Freedom, the Free Market, and Reality. By bill or by bankruptcy.......the days of Public Sector Unions are numbered.........and the end cant come soon enough.
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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    Yes, they will drive us to bankruptcy eventually. Not just them, of course. We also can thank warmongering (including the war on drugs) and other social programs like Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.

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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    Like ANYTHING ELSE.

    Unions can be a negative AND a positive.

    There are some Unions that do **** I don't agree with, but would I be in favour of all public sector unions being abolished? I don't think so.

    At the end of the day I'm not going to try and create some grand argument here, my knowledge on this subject is somewhat limited and I'm not going to wing it, but from what I do know, all unions have their place, but if I were to use teachers unions as an example, in some cases with them, I'd like to see their toe nails clipped a little bit, they go too far with some things, especially when it comes to incompetant teachers, throw em out the door IMO.

    But to scrap them all together? Nope. Unions have their place, to find a balance is the difficult part and I'm not sure where that balance lies.

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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Like ANYTHING ELSE.

    Unions can be a negative AND a positive.
    .....could you name one of these "positives"?

    There are some Unions that do **** I don't agree with, but would I be in favour of all public sector unions being abolished? I don't think so.

    At the end of the day I'm not going to try and create some grand argument here, my knowledge on this subject is somewhat limited and I'm not going to wing it, but from what I do know, all unions have their place, but if I were to use teachers unions as an example, in some cases with them, I'd like to see their toe nails clipped a little bit, they go too far with some things, especially when it comes to incompetant teachers, throw em out the door IMO.
    Well thats not positive.......but I feel your pain.

    Out of over 100,000 public school teachers in Michigan, only nine were fired last year | Mark Hemingway | Beltway Confidential | Washington Examiner

    .......we passed negotiation about 30 years ago........its time to put an end to The Mob.

    But to scrap them all together? Nope. Unions have their place, to find a balance is the difficult part and I'm not sure where that balance lies.
    Two questions about Unions and their place........

    Can you name one Public Sector Union Job.......that you feel the private market couldnt handle.?.........with lower costs and better results.

    Can you give one Union example........of outstanding results.......for the King's ransom we pay them?
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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    There is one fundamental difference between the private sector and the public. The public sector does not have the same check and balance that the private sector has, meaning the private sector cannot continue to pay inflated wages while continuing to increase debt year after year. No business can remain in the red decade after decade and stay afloat. They either make adjustments or go under. The public sector on the other hand can continue to borrow money to cover expenditures. This allows Unions to continuously raise demands beyond a reasonable level. Consider what we are seeing right now. I believe the only reason we are finally seeing some sort of resistance to the unions is because of political opposition. If Dems had remained in power in those particular states things would have continues down the same old destructive path.
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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    Note to self: Firefighters, teachers and city workers produce NOTHING!
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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by KeeKee View Post
    Note to self: Firefighters, teachers and city workers produce NOTHING!
    Add to that: police officers, garbagemen, mailmen.

    These people produce nadaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. I say we ban those guys too and see how long any of them stick around.
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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by KeeKee View Post
    Note to self: Firefighters, teachers and city workers produce NOTHING!
    Note to self: A Service Based Country is a state of Bankruptcy........
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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Add to that: police officers, garbagemen, mailmen.

    These people produce nadaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. I say we ban those guys too and see how long any of them stick around.
    Where exactly do you think they are going to go?............Canada?

    As we all know.....Policing, Sanitation, and Delivery never existed before Unions were created.....
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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Where exactly do you think they are going to go?............Canada?

    As we all know.....Policing, Sanitation, and Delivery never existed before Unions were created.....
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    Actually they really didn't with the exception of mail delivery and even that was sub par. Sanitation was only a concern for people living in major American cities for most of the 19th century. Nobody wanted to do it because there was no benefit to picking up other people's crap. The majority of Americans in major cities lived in complete squalor prior to the creation of unions and sanitation services. Policing? Haha. Don't make me laugh. US cities were as bad as the wild west before the creation of unions unions. Not sure about the rural landscape but I doubt it was much better. Seriously, the biggest things the US handled in the 19th century was the post office and the military. In terms of hygiene, this country was a horrible place to live during the early years of the 20th century. The creation of unions provided a big change to that. They created an incentive for people to do the jobs that were dangerous, disgusting and base.
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