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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Wouldnt those conditions effectively end Public Sector Unions?
    No because they can still form a union. I would also like to add a number 5 to that list "Unions votes would be private". Many of these people say they believe it is a right to form a union and that its about freedom. If they really believe that then teachers and other employees should not be obligated to join a union, pay union dues and they should be free to join or form a union of their own choosing. A right implies that its voluntary. Just like we have freedom of religion or the right to keep and bear arms.If we want to go to a church we can if we do not not want to then we do not have to because freedom of religion is a right in this country not mandated. If we want to buy guns and carry them somewhere or on us we can, if we do not want to have a gun then we do not have to have one because its a right not mandated.


    If they cant go on strike....the Union bark has no bite.
    They can still go on strike. Its that employers would not be obligated to let them keep their jobs if an employer can and is willing to find replacements.

    It was public when I first created it......

    ......anyways..... 64% support ending Public Sector Unions....even if it was tampered with......WINNING.....
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    91 members plus generally do not participate in the same poll and with out being able to see who voted there is no sure way of seeing how many members voted verses how many so called anonymous votes happened.
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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    I just heard on Tom Sullivan's show today that 26 states do not have public sector employee unions. What those states have are very thorough and complete civil service rules that protect all public employees from abuse.

    My problem with public sector unions is that they are closed-shop, and force individuals to join whether the individuals wish to or not. In Wisc., the ability of unions to force people to join has been removed. The unions still exist; people can still pay dues and belong to unions if they want to... however, if they don't want to they don't have to. This is just a reversible band-aid. The first time democrats get a majority in the legislature, they'll simply reverse it back to forcing employees to join, and it doesn't address the issue permanently as an all-encompassing civil service law would do.

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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    Actually Wisconsin has the same laws in place.


    They just ALSO have a union structure on topof that.

    Because unions are very necessary.... for the purpose of accomplishing.... uniony things.... you know, public awareness campaigns, 'speaking out on behalf of workers', making the necessary PAC donations, serving as money launderers for Democrats to funnel themselves tax revenues.... that kind of stuff

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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    I have trouble justifying public sector unions but I imagine they do keep up the private sector wages.
    objectively they keep them down.

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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Actually they really didn't with the exception of mail delivery and even that was sub par. Sanitation was only a concern for people living in major American cities for most of the 19th century. Nobody wanted to do it because there was no benefit to picking up other people's crap. The majority of Americans in major cities lived in complete squalor prior to the creation of unions and sanitation services. Policing? Haha. Don't make me laugh. US cities were as bad as the wild west before the creation of unions unions. Not sure about the rural landscape but I doubt it was much better. Seriously, the biggest things the US handled in the 19th century was the post office and the military. In terms of hygiene, this country was a horrible place to live during the early years of the 20th century. The creation of unions provided a big change to that. They created an incentive for people to do the jobs that were dangerous, disgusting and base.
    It's cute the way you tie things to unions. Historically incorrect and totally dishonest but cute.

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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    No because they can still form a union. I would also like to add a number 5 to that list "Unions votes would be private". Many of these people say they believe it is a right to form a union and that its about freedom. If they really believe that then teachers and other employees should not be obligated to join a union, pay union dues and they should be free to join or form a union of their own choosing. A right implies that its voluntary. Just like we have freedom of religion or the right to keep and bear arms.If we want to go to a church we can if we do not not want to then we do not have to because freedom of religion is a right in this country not mandated. If we want to buy guns and carry them somewhere or on us we can, if we do not want to have a gun then we do not have to have one because its a right not mandated.




    They can still go on strike. Its that employers would not be obligated to let them keep their jobs if an employer can and is willing to find replacements.


    91 members plus generally do not participate in the same poll and with out being able to see who voted there is no sure way of seeing how many members voted verses how many so called anonymous votes happened.
    I agree with you......as I am also a big supporter of powerless unions.

    The only bite in the union bark is their ability to strike/whine like 5 yr olds.......

    .....without it.....their never ending demands can be laughed off.....as they should.
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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    No! I do not support ending all public sector or private unions. While I was growing up I was always told to get an education and you would have a better shot at having a good life. My parents, my teachers, and older friends of the family any and everyone that I can remember told me that. Now we a have a group of Americans who have done just that and people are blaming them for a bad economy. We are telling them you donít deserve the money youíve worked for. All of your work means nothing now. Just because you became a teacher to help educate the youth in this country means youíre now responsible for the situation in which we now find ourselves. Itís your entire fault that the economy took a dive. So we are going to take away your bargaining rights. Should the teachers take cuts in pay? That would depend on each situation. Never mind the fact we got into 2 wars that were not paid for. Letís not forget the prescription drug plan that Bush 43 kicked in to get the seniors vote. Letís include dome trade agreements in the mix too. Oh yeah deregulation of the banking industry, GrammĖLeachĖBaliley Act, that led to the almost collapse of Wall Street and the banking industry.I remember not too long ago Republican candidates were saying the children were our future. What kind of message does this send to students who want to educate our children? Letís not forget the Bush 43 tax cuts. What did they produce? But thatís another argument. How would you like it if someone blamed the bad economy on you because you belonged to a union? Heck how would you feel if they blamed it on you period? Should there be changes ? Yes. Bad teachers must go. That's the way it is in the private sector. I have always thought that it was a conservative principal for someone to work hard so that they could get a leg up? You know pull yourself up by your bootstraps kind of thing. You know be all you can be kind of thing. Donít fault these people for doing just that. Without unions this country would be a very crappy place to work. We owe a lot to unions whether you like them or not because it caused most employers to treat the workers with a little respect. If unions fall your employer will be able to make you do almost anything. The 40 hour work week could become 50,60 or more depending on what they want. Overtime pay would cease. All in the name of the company bottom line. Vacations could become a thing of the past. You will have to work in unsafe conditions just because they say so. What is to prevent an employer from coming to you and saying ,we pay you too much, you must take a pay cut? All because he wants to buy a new car or house or anything else he may want. For those of you interested look at what kids had to go through in the early 1900's, as many hours as the boss wanted the kid to work he had to. It was legal! If they did that to kids I know they won't care about you.

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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by bfg2009 View Post
    No! I do not support ending all public sector or private unions.
    Strictly talking about Public Sector Unions here....

    While I was growing up I was always told to get an education and you would have a better shot at having a good life. My parents, my teachers, and older friends of the family any and everyone that I can remember told me that. Now we a have a group of Americans who have done just that and people are blaming them for a bad economy. We are telling them you don’t deserve the money you’ve worked for. All of your work means nothing now. Just because you became a teacher to help educate the youth in this country means you’re now responsible for the situation in which we now find ourselves. It’s your entire fault that the economy took a dive.
    Nobody blamed the Unions for the collapse of the economy......everyone knows that was the fruition of Democrat policies, Chris Countrywide Dodd, Barney Frank, and his butt buddies at F&F.

    Were blaming the Unions for the massive Debts and Deficits that they produce in every city and state that they infect.

    So we are going to take away your bargaining rights. Should the teachers take cuts in pay? That would depend on each situation.
    The Teachers Union just called.....they said no to the pay cut and are demanding a pay raise......because its all about the children.....but only after its about the money

    Never mind the fact we got into 2 wars that were not paid for. Let’s not forget the prescription drug plan that Bush 43 kicked in to get the seniors vote. Let’s include dome trade agreements in the mix too. Oh yeah deregulation of the banking industry, Gramm–Leach–Baliley Act, that led to the almost collapse of Wall Street and the banking industry.I remember not too long ago Republican candidates were saying the children were our future. What kind of message does this send to students who want to educate our children? Let’s not forget the Bush 43 tax cuts. What did they produce?
    --Record Low Unemployemnt
    --Record High Tax Revenue
    --Record High Stock Market
    --A Record 52 months continual job growth

    But that’s another argument. How would you like it if someone blamed the bad economy on you because you belonged to a union? Heck how would you feel if they blamed it on you period? Should there be changes ? Yes. Bad teachers must go. That's the way it is in the private sector. I have always thought that it was a conservative principal for someone to work hard so that they could get a leg up? You know pull yourself up by your bootstraps kind of thing. You know be all you can be kind of thing. Don’t fault these people for doing just that.
    And clearly thats no the way in the Public Sector....

    Without unions this country would be a very crappy place to work. We owe a lot to unions whether you like them or not because it caused most employers to treat the workers with a little respect. If unions fall your employer will be able to make you do almost anything. The 40 hour work week could become 50,60 or more depending on what they want. Overtime pay would cease. All in the name of the company bottom line. Vacations could become a thing of the past. You will have to work in unsafe conditions just because they say so. What is to prevent an employer from coming to you and saying ,we pay you too much, you must take a pay cut? All because he wants to buy a new car or house or anything else he may want. For those of you interested look at what kids had to go through in the early 1900's, as many hours as the boss wanted the kid to work he had to. It was legal! If they did that to kids I know they won't care about you.
    Without Unions......we could all enjoy a Property Tax Cut, a State Income Tax Cut, A City Income Tax Cut, a Sales Tax Cut, and a Federal Income Tax cut.

    Then perhaps all the hard working Americans that cant afford their own Health Care and Retirement.....could......

    ..........because they wouldnt be so busy paying for yours.
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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    I agree with you......as I am also a big supporter of powerless unions.

    The only bite in the union bark is their ability to strike/whine like 5 yr olds.......

    .....without it.....their never ending demands can be laughed off.....as they should.
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    They would still be able to strike.
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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by bfg2009 View Post
    No! I do not support ending all public sector or private unions. While I was growing up I was always told to get an education and you would have a better shot at having a good life. My parents, my teachers, and older friends of the family any and everyone that I can remember told me that. Now we a have a group of Americans who have done just that and people are blaming them for a bad economy. We are telling them you don’t deserve the money you’ve worked for. All of your work means nothing now. Just because you became a teacher to help educate the youth in this country means you’re now responsible for the situation in which we now find ourselves. It’s your entire fault that the economy took a dive. So we are going to take away your bargaining rights. Should the teachers take cuts in pay? That would depend on each situation. Never mind the fact we got into 2 wars that were not paid for. Let’s not forget the prescription drug plan that Bush 43 kicked in to get the seniors vote. Let’s include dome trade agreements in the mix too. Oh yeah deregulation of the banking industry, Gramm–Leach–Baliley Act, that led to the almost collapse of Wall Street and the banking industry.I remember not too long ago Republican candidates were saying the children were our future. What kind of message does this send to students who want to educate our children? Let’s not forget the Bush 43 tax cuts. What did they produce? But that’s another argument. How would you like it if someone blamed the bad economy on you because you belonged to a union? Heck how would you feel if they blamed it on you period? Should there be changes ? Yes. Bad teachers must go. That's the way it is in the private sector. I have always thought that it was a conservative principal for someone to work hard so that they could get a leg up? You know pull yourself up by your bootstraps kind of thing. You know be all you can be kind of thing. Don’t fault these people for doing just that. Without unions this country would be a very crappy place to work. We owe a lot to unions whether you like them or not because it caused most employers to treat the workers with a little respect. If unions fall your employer will be able to make you do almost anything. The 40 hour work week could become 50,60 or more depending on what they want. Overtime pay would cease. All in the name of the company bottom line. Vacations could become a thing of the past. You will have to work in unsafe conditions just because they say so. What is to prevent an employer from coming to you and saying ,we pay you too much, you must take a pay cut? All because he wants to buy a new car or house or anything else he may want. For those of you interested look at what kids had to go through in the early 1900's, as many hours as the boss wanted the kid to work he had to. It was legal! If they did that to kids I know they won't care about you.
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