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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    If you took my rhetoric as zealotry....rather than the common sense view expressed by the majority of Americans......it isnt my beliefs that need re-evaluated.
    Democracies don't exist to give your opinions power. Saying a majority of people support your opinion is immoral, even if you have strong empirical evidence. Opinions have to stand on their own merits.



    To observe the fact that every poverty ridden crime laden ****hole in this country has a Democrat at the helm.......and has had a Democrat at the helm for decades.......

    .......probably means we dont need to venture into statistics......unless your objective is to further my argument.
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    People select Democrats when things are bad because Democrats theoretically care about such things. Republicans don't even necessarily acknowledge the existence of such things.

    For example, Republicans don't theoretically acknowledge the existence of a rising gap between rich and poor because that subverts the Trickle-Down Theory of wealth that is the heart of their economic philosophy.

    In Republican theory, the overwhelming instances of poverty are your problem. Thus they feel little compulsion to take action on poverty, because it's not part of their plan.

    In contrast, Democrats have little ability to take action on poverty, because our laws do not give them that ability.
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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Democracies don't exist to give your opinions power. Saying a majority of people support your opinion is immoral, even if you have strong empirical evidence. Opinions have to stand on their own merits.
    .......ignoring the will of the American People is immoral in this Constitutional Republic turned Tyranny of the Minority......

    People select Democrats when things are bad because Democrats theoretically care about such things. Republicans don't even necessarily acknowledge the existence of such things.
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    .....are you starting to realize who benefits from bad times?........who might want to create bad times in the name of political gains?

    ....you know.....never let a crisis go to waste.

    For example, Republicans don't theoretically acknowledge the existence of a rising gap between rich and poor because that subverts the Trickle-Down Theory of wealth that is the heart of their economic philosophy.
    I will aknowledge it right now for you....

    The rising income gap exists and I hope it continues to grow......otherwise the economic pie wouldnt grow.......

    ........the lazy liberal slob of decades past......who had a net worth of $0.00........isnt worth a cent more today. Conservatives want people as far away from $0.00 as possible.......Liberals want everyone as close to $0.00 as possible.

    In Republican theory, the overwhelming instances of poverty are your problem. Thus they feel little compulsion to take action on poverty, because it's not part of their plan.
    ......that......or its not at all the government's job in this constitutional republic.


    In contrast, Democrats have little ability to take action on poverty, because our laws do not give them that ability.
    The trillions of dollars in debt resulting from the Democrats war for poverty.........is proof they do have the ability.......

    .......the 20% poverty rate decades later.....is proof they dont have a brain.
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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    We need a better people.
    All of us tend to be greedy and selfish, but now, ALL OF US, must sacrifice, starting with the CEOs, the President and the Governors.
    I have yet to see the first step in this direction.
    The blame game must stop... The unions are the whipping boys...but is all of us, and the sacrifice must start at the top...
    The truth must be told, and then we must listen...
    Right now, over our media, its anything but the truth.
    That Wisconsin governor, I do not trust him......but I do not trust the Liberals either.
    Both the wealthy and the union must stay out of the political process, both are so greedy that it is disgusting...
    Maybe we need a full scale revolution here....

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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Look, if negotiations between unions and managers of private companies come to a boil, the union strikes and either management folds or the company goes bankrupt.

    Now look at the public sector... cities, counties, states. If negotiations between unions and the public sector come to a boil, management has NO tools to deal with it. None. If a city or state declares bankruptcy, what happens to the people who lives there? Construction comes to a halt, because there are no inspectors, no building permits being issued, no water delivery, no fire protection, no police protection. So when the money isn't there to pay union wages and perks, what happens? Has anyone seriously thought about what would happen if, say, the state of California suddenly declared bankruptcy, and its assets were seized by the court? Everything screeches to a complete halt... and those union jobs? They're gone. Those union paychecks? They're gone too. Highway maintenance? Uh-uh. Snowplows in the mountains? Sorry, fend for yourselves until spring. Water delivery from the north part of the state to the south? Sayonara. State workers handle... used to handle that. Wildfires, floods, natural disasters... you're on your own, people. Schools? Close 'em down, people. No state, no teachers, no money. 20 million peeps will have to homeschool their kids. The dominoes continue to fall as the list goes on. Is this the worst-case scenario? Absolutely. But the worst-case scenario is not an impossible scenario.

    I used to work for a municipality. People always complain about civil servents until suddenly they don't have access to all the services they provide, services that residents severely need. In order for public entities to remain solvent, they have to have ways to cut expenses to match flexible revenues. Huge, multi-year union contracts prevent entities from doing that. Unlike the federal government, public entities are required by law to balance their budgets. They cannot by law run a "dificit."

    A private corporation goes bankrupt, a limited number of people are out of work. A state goes bankrupt, millions upon millions of people are going to be drastically and dangerously affected, and unemployment will probably soar to 30% or more. When you count all the jobs in the public service sector and jobs that are funded by the public service sector, half the state could eventually be out of work. That is why public entities cannot be allowed to go bankrupt, and why public sector unions should be abolished.
    Good points.
    We have states with unions and states without.
    How do they compare(standard of living, quality of service, happiness of the people, crime rate, etc)??
    Long ago unions were necessary as the ones in power treated the people poorly; now, do we have a "better people" who will no longer disrespect the working man ?

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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    Walker in 2012!

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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    Maybe........

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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    a 100 times YEAS!




    crush, crush, j[i]crushs![i] .... the public unions




    don't KNOWBODY take my damn democracy and not pay for it.

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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Walker in 2012!

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    It occurs to me that it's no stretch to compare what Walker did with what Obama did with healthcare.
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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It occurs to me that it's no stretch to compare what Walker did with what Obama did with healthcare.
    its eerrreily simmilar,andisn't that interesting cause for relfelection on both sides?

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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    its eerrreily simmilar,andisn't that interesting cause for relfelection on both sides?
    seriously, are you having a stroke?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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