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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    It is hilarious how the right say they are the champions of peoples right, freedom of speech and basically the defenders of "you can do anything you want", but when it comes to unions they are willing to take all those principles and throw them out the window. Hypocrites.
    Union slobs across this country "can do whatever they want".........but how about they start paying for it?

    The Majority of people who fund the bloated salaries, gold plated health care, diamond inlayed pensions of these public sector union slobs........

    ..........dont make as much.....and have fewer benefits.


    As for the "union" is destroying the country crowd... it aint the Unions that cause the financial melt down.. that was the banking and financial industry... so when are you going to go after them?
    Nobody blamed unions for the financial meltdown........

    ........but when it comes to the Bankrupt Cities and States.........when it comes to turning this country into THE MOST BUSINESS UNFRIENDLY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.....when it comes to outrageous property taxes, income taxes, sales taxes ........it is the Unions and their Democrat leaders that deserve a lions share of the blame.
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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Bankers slobs across this country "can do whatever they want".........but how about they start paying for it?

    The Majority of people who fund the bloated salaries, gold plated health care, diamond inlayed pensions of these bankers slobs........

    ..........dont make as much.....and have fewer benefits.
    Fixed that for you.

    Nobody blamed unions for the financial meltdown........
    Yea... just most of the GOP, Tea Party and other radicals on the right. Unions have always been blamed by the righ for any and all ills of the US.... jobs being exported to Mexico..Unions are the problem, not the big corporations doing the exporting. Unions are always being blamed for things by the right, some times justified, but most of the time unjustified.

    ........but when it comes to the Bankrupt Cities and States.........when it comes to turning this country into THE MOST BUSINESS UNFRIENDLY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.....when it comes to outrageous property taxes, income taxes, sales taxes ........it is the Unions and their Democrat leaders that deserve a lions share of the blame.
    Stop drinking Fox News and the CATO institute cool-aid.

    The US may have one of the highest business taxes on paper, but anyone can see in reality they are not. Most major corporations avoid paying taxes all together in the US, thanks to loop-holes put in place by "friendly" Washington politicians.

    You have some of the lowest income taxes in the industrialised world, and next to no sales tax. As for property taxes, well... not seen a comparison on that but I would wager they are nothing compared to European property taxes.

    Before you go on attacking Unions for all the problems of the US, how about redirecting the rage towards those that actually deserve it.. you own politicians that are in the pockets of big business, and no one is more in the pocket that the GOP and Tea Party... why else would they block plugging a big oil tax loop-hole that gives billions to oil companies and sucks billions from the US tax payer?

    And for the record, I think unions in Europe have far too much power and am anti-Union, but in no freaking way would I ever deny someone the right to be in a union if he or she wants too, or deny the right for a union to exist at all.
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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    Lots of people seem intent on putting working class people on The Road To Serfdom.
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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Lots of people seem intent on putting working class people on The Road To Serfdom.
    The road to serfdom is what? No belonging to a union? I've lived my whole life not belonging to a union. My job was never protected by what unions so often call "due process," and I call a bag of tricks. I didn't get raises just because I put in another year on the job or took another class in school. Somehow, despite this horrendous disadvantage, I manage to live well and prosper....on my own merits.
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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Lots of people seem intent on putting working class people on The Road To Serfdom.
    Whats wrong with that? It's my taxes, I pay these assholes to do nothing all day. Fireman don't put out fires, teachers don't teach my kids, police officers don't police.

    As we all know from Fox News government employees sit around all day burning barrels of tax payer dollars while they take their 45 minute union enforced lunch breaks while watching MSNBC and throwing a few American flags into the money pile too...

    At least thats what Glenn Beck and the voices in my head keep telling me.

    It's amazing that my somewhat balanced look at things in my first post has descended into the "ABOLITION OF THE COMMIE PUBLIC SECTOR UNIONS!".

    A balance must be found, too far one way OR the other is bad for everybody.

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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The road to serfdom is what? No belonging to a union? I've lived my whole life not belonging to a union. My job was never protected by what unions so often call "due process," and I call a bag of tricks. I didn't get raises just because I put in another year on the job or took another class in school. Somehow, despite this horrendous disadvantage, I manage to live well and prosper....on my own merits.
    As somebody who's worked in the private sector most of his life, I find this really hard to believe. Not to question you but are you self employed? Cause that's the only way I see somebody in the private sector not getting a yearly raise. Maybe your employers are just assholes but still, I find that section of your post incredibly hard to believe.
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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Fixed that for you.
    But of course......the last thing Liberals and Unions slobs want to admit........is the fact that the bloated unions salaries, gold plated health care, and diamond inlayed pensions......are cut from the backs of POOR PEOPLE and THE MIDDLE CLASS.


    Yea... just most of the GOP, Tea Party and other radicals on the right. Unions have always been blamed by the righ for any and all ills of the US.... jobs being exported to Mexico..Unions are the problem, not the big corporations doing the exporting. Unions are always being blamed for things by the right, some times justified, but most of the time unjustified.
    If you could find any source that blamed Unions for the Financial collapse....please do so.

    Most people agree it was Chris Dodd, Barney Frank, and his butt buddies over at F&F that brought on the collapse.....

    Stop drinking Fox News and the CATO institute cool-aid.

    The US may have one of the highest business taxes on paper, but anyone can see in reality they are not. Most major corporations avoid paying taxes all together in the US, thanks to loop-holes put in place by "friendly" Washington politicians.
    .....so if your fairy tale was true........WHY DOES THE MASS EXODUS OF US BUSINESSES CONTINUE?

    You have some of the lowest income taxes in the industrialised world, and next to no sales tax. As for property taxes, well... not seen a comparison on that but I would wager they are nothing compared to European property taxes.
    Speak for youself......the majority of Americans have 25-50% of their working lives seized by the government.

    Before you go on attacking Unions for all the problems of the US, how about redirecting the rage towards those that actually deserve it.. you own politicians that are in the pockets of big business, and no one is more in the pocket that the GOP and Tea Party... why else would they block plugging a big oil tax loop-hole that gives billions to oil companies and sucks billions from the US tax payer?
    .....so sucking billions from US taxpayers is only acceptable if its UNIONS doing the sucking.

    And for the record, I think unions in Europe have far too much power and am anti-Union, but in no freaking way would I ever deny someone the right to be in a union if he or she wants too, or deny the right for a union to exist at all.
    ....and the right to NOT BE IN A UNION if he or she wants to.....and yet the majority of Public Sector Jobs require you join a Union and have DNC campaing contributions removed from your paycheck.

    As I said before.....people have every right to be in a union......in the private market.
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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Lots of people seem intent on putting working class people on The Road To Serfdom.
    Well I dont know who you mean by "lots of people"........

    But as today's liberal commoners and democrat serfs prove.........the only entity that prospers from poverty.....is The (D)emocrat Party--(D)ependent upon (D)ependents and their (D)ependence.

    The more poor people Democrats can create.......the more Democrat voters are realized.

    The Poorest American Cities of 2008 (1-30)

    1. Detroit, 33.3% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 52 years
    2. Cleveland, 30.5% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 20 years
    3. Buffalo, 30.3% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 43 years
    4. Newark, 26.1% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 102 years
    5. Miami, 25.6% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 52 years
    6. Fresno, 25.5% in poverty--Republican Mayor for the last 13 years
    7. Cincinnati, 25.1% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 29 years
    8. Toledo, 24.7% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 20 years
    9. El Paso, 24.3% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 120 years
    10.Philadelphia, 24.1% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 57 years
    11. Milwaukee, 23.4% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 49 years
    12. Memphis, 23.1% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 133 years
    13. St. Louis, 22.9% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 60 years
    14. Dallas, 22.6% in poverty--Republican Mayor for the last 2 years
    14 New Orleans,22.6% in poverty-Democrat Mayor for the last 141 years
    16. Atlanta, 22.4% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 130 years
    17. Stockton, Calif., 21.6% in poverty--No info available--probably Libs
    18. Minneapolis, 21.3% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 35 years
    19. Pittsburgh, 21.2% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 21 years
    20. Tucson, 20.9% in poverty--No info available--probably Libs
    21. Chicago, 20.6% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 78 years
    22. Columbus,Ohio 20.1% in poverty-Democrat Mayor for the last 9 years
    23. Long Beach, Calif., 19.8% in poverty--No info available--probably Libs
    24. Houston, 19.5% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 88 years
    25 Los Angeles,19.4% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for "the last 8 years"
    26. Baltimore, 19.3% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 42 years
    27 San Antonio,19.2% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 38 years
    28. Phoenix, 18.9% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 5 years
    29. Boston, 18.7% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 79 years
    30. Denver, 18.4% in poverty----Democrat Mayor for the last 46 years

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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    The time is long past due to remove the Public Masters and reinstate the Public Servants......to put Taxpayer Rights, Property Rights, Employer Rights, and Voter Rights back on an equal playing field with the almighty "Worker's rights"......and to throw our Bankrupt cities, states, and country a lifeline to solvency rather than the wellstone of Union debt. The time has come to put Public Sector Unions on the endangered species list.

    Im not saying all Public Sector Unions are a detriment.......its just how collective bargaining ultimately ends. Im not saying there havent been instances when Unions have helped our society and economy........just not in the last 3 or 4 decades. Im not saying Union slobs are all to blame.....who wouldnt vote themselves a bloated salary, gold plated health care, diamond inlayed pension, a pay raise every two years, a lifetime exemption for accountability and responsibility, and have someone else pay for it all.......if you could.

    What I am saying.....is Im a realist. And in reality, rather than Union Imaginationland, the majority of people who pay for the bloated salaries, gold plated health care, and diamond inlayed pensions of these public sector union slobs, have a smaller salary and fewer benefits, if any benefits at all. Removing Public Sector Unions entirely from The Divided Socialist States of ObamAmerica isnt an attack on the poor or middle class, its a ****ing tax break for the poor and middle class......its the weight of millions of parasites lifted from the backs of the poor and middle class. For every poor and middle class private sector worker......its a federal tax cut, a property tax cut, a state income tax cut, a city income tax cut, a sales tax cut. Its a pay raise for for 4 out of every 5 American workers.....God Bless America.

    Regardless of how noble or heroic a role......Public Sector Unions and their members produce NOTHING....but bureaucracy and debt. The majority of Public Sector Union Jobs could be handled by the Private market for lower costs with better results. And while American Workers should have the right to Organize.....it shouldnt be on the back of the American Taxpayer. A long overdue welcome to all Public Sector Unions......back to Freedom, the Free Market, and Reality. By bill or by bankruptcy.......the days of Public Sector Unions are numbered.........and the end cant come soon enough.
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    If you have to bring your rhetoric to the point of zealotry you probably need to re-evaluate your beliefs.
    Well I dont know who you mean by "lots of people"........

    But as today's liberal commoners and democrat serfs prove.........the only entity that prospers from poverty.....is The (D)emocrat Party--(D)ependent upon (D)ependents and their (D)ependence.

    The more poor people Democrats can create.......the more Democrat voters are realized.

    The Poorest American Cities of 2008 (1-30)

    1. Detroit, 33.3% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 52 years
    2. Cleveland, 30.5% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 20 years
    3. Buffalo, 30.3% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 43 years
    4. Newark, 26.1% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 102 years
    5. Miami, 25.6% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 52 years
    6. Fresno, 25.5% in poverty--Republican Mayor for the last 13 years
    7. Cincinnati, 25.1% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 29 years
    8. Toledo, 24.7% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 20 years
    9. El Paso, 24.3% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 120 years
    10.Philadelphia, 24.1% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 57 years
    11. Milwaukee, 23.4% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 49 years
    12. Memphis, 23.1% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 133 years
    13. St. Louis, 22.9% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 60 years
    14. Dallas, 22.6% in poverty--Republican Mayor for the last 2 years
    14 New Orleans,22.6% in poverty-Democrat Mayor for the last 141 years
    16. Atlanta, 22.4% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 130 years
    17. Stockton, Calif., 21.6% in poverty--No info available--probably Libs
    18. Minneapolis, 21.3% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 35 years
    19. Pittsburgh, 21.2% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 21 years
    20. Tucson, 20.9% in poverty--No info available--probably Libs
    21. Chicago, 20.6% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 78 years
    22. Columbus,Ohio 20.1% in poverty-Democrat Mayor for the last 9 years
    23. Long Beach, Calif., 19.8% in poverty--No info available--probably Libs
    24. Houston, 19.5% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 88 years
    25 Los Angeles,19.4% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for "the last 8 years"
    26. Baltimore, 19.3% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 42 years
    27 San Antonio,19.2% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 38 years
    28. Phoenix, 18.9% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 5 years
    29. Boston, 18.7% in poverty--Democrat Mayor for the last 79 years
    30. Denver, 18.4% in poverty----Democrat Mayor for the last 46 years
    To begin with, the only statistics that could possibly matter on this issue is overall poverty in zones of Democratic power versus overall poverty in zones of Republican power. Then you have to adjust for problem factors like, property rights and freedoms, which prevent politicians from effectively influencing the course of economic development in favor of the public good. Also for the fact people tend to prefer Republicans when the economy is good and Democrats when the economy bad, regardless of which is responsible for making it good or bad.
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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    If you have to bring your rhetoric to the point of zealotry you probably need to re-evaluate your beliefs.
    If you took my rhetoric as zealotry....rather than the common sense view expressed by the majority of Americans......it isnt my beliefs that need re-evaluated.


    To begin with, the only statistics that could possibly matter on this issue is overall poverty in zones of Democratic control versus overall poverty in zones of Republican control. Then you have to adjust for problem factors like, property rights and freedoms, which prevent politicians from effectively influencing the course of economic development.
    To observe the fact that every poverty ridden crime laden ****hole in this country has a Democrat at the helm.......and has had a Democrat at the helm for decades.......

    .......probably means we dont need to venture into statistics......unless your objective is to further my argument.
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