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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    Public unions should not be permitted to strike; any salary raise negotiated beyond the % of increase used for Social Security recipients should require a public vote--I believe that would tie it to the CPI; healthcare and retirement plans should, by rule of law, have to compare with those of private enterprise.

    If these limitations were in place, I would have no problem with public unions.
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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    Look, if negotiations between unions and managers of private companies come to a boil, the union strikes and either management folds or the company goes bankrupt.

    Now look at the public sector... cities, counties, states. If negotiations between unions and the public sector come to a boil, management has NO tools to deal with it. None. If a city or state declares bankruptcy, what happens to the people who lives there? Construction comes to a halt, because there are no inspectors, no building permits being issued, no water delivery, no fire protection, no police protection. So when the money isn't there to pay union wages and perks, what happens? Has anyone seriously thought about what would happen if, say, the state of California suddenly declared bankruptcy, and its assets were seized by the court? Everything screeches to a complete halt... and those union jobs? They're gone. Those union paychecks? They're gone too. Highway maintenance? Uh-uh. Snowplows in the mountains? Sorry, fend for yourselves until spring. Water delivery from the north part of the state to the south? Sayonara. State workers handle... used to handle that. Wildfires, floods, natural disasters... you're on your own, people. Schools? Close 'em down, people. No state, no teachers, no money. 20 million peeps will have to homeschool their kids. The dominoes continue to fall as the list goes on. Is this the worst-case scenario? Absolutely. But the worst-case scenario is not an impossible scenario.

    I used to work for a municipality. People always complain about civil servents until suddenly they don't have access to all the services they provide, services that residents severely need. In order for public entities to remain solvent, they have to have ways to cut expenses to match flexible revenues. Huge, multi-year union contracts prevent entities from doing that. Unlike the federal government, public entities are required by law to balance their budgets. They cannot by law run a "dificit."

    A private corporation goes bankrupt, a limited number of people are out of work. A state goes bankrupt, millions upon millions of people are going to be drastically and dangerously affected, and unemployment will probably soar to 30% or more. When you count all the jobs in the public service sector and jobs that are funded by the public service sector, half the state could eventually be out of work. That is why public entities cannot be allowed to go bankrupt, and why public sector unions should be abolished.

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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Actually they really didn't with the exception of mail delivery and even that was sub par. Sanitation was only a concern for people living in major American cities for most of the 19th century. Nobody wanted to do it because there was no benefit to picking up other people's crap. The majority of Americans in major cities lived in complete squalor prior to the creation of unions and sanitation services.
    Yes of course....without unions we would all be ****ing in buckets like George Obama.

    Policing? Haha. Don't make me laugh. US cities were as bad as the wild west before the creation of unions unions. Not sure about the rural landscape but I doubt it was much better.
    Union labor prevents crime..........

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    Seriously, the biggest things the US handled in the 19th century was the post office and the military. In terms of hygiene, this country was a horrible place to live during the early years of the 20th century. The creation of unions provided a big change to that. They created an incentive for people to do the jobs that were dangerous, disgusting and base.
    The aquirement of wealth is the incentive.......not union dues.

    .....to believe nobody would step up to fill the jobs vacated by Public Sector Union Slobs tomorrow......is to reside in Imaginationland today.
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    idea Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    My two bits to this thread would be that we should use the term government in place of public since that is a more accurate term. The question would then be, "Do you support ending all Government Sector Unions?", and I would answer yes with the provision that some of the workers may belong to professional organizations which would focus on the embetterment on resources to do the job. And with respect to wages would be done on merit based under policies by that department or inacted into law by that State Legislature.
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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Yes of course....without unions we would all be ****ing in buckets like George Obama.
    You can't really argue with the facts. No unions? America was a pretty ****ty place to work in. Unions? America becomes the most prosperous political and economic entity in the history of the world.

    Union labor prevents crime..........
    That's not what I said. Learn what a strawman is.

    The aquirement of wealth is the incentive.......not union dues.

    .....to believe nobody would step up to fill the jobs vacated by Public Sector Union Slobs tomorrow......is to reside in Imaginationland today.
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    Nobody really would. Countries with strong unions systems are almost universally free and democratic societies with a wide variety of classes. Countries who oppose the creation of unions are almost universally oppressive regimes with little democratic progress and mass poverty. Africa is a good example of what anti-union policies do for the working classes.
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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    I believe unions have their place, even in the public sector. I support placing restrictions on them but not eliminating them. Unions are an important part of ensuring fair treatment for workers. I've seen how companies will screw their workforce without them.
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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    Public sector I'm iffy on. I voted no, but I don't think people who are considered critical (ie. firemen, police, etc.) should be allowed to strike when its detrimental to society.

    Private sector, any non-govt. supported unions are completely ok.
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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Shadow Serious View Post
    My two bits to this thread would be that we should use the term government in place of public since that is a more accurate term.
    I will get it changed....but were going to need a Union sign off.....

    ......I think Taxpayer-Funded Unions might help pull Joe Public's head from his rectum.....but Im down with Government Unions.....as long as we get rid of them.

    The question would then be, "Do you support ending all Government Sector Unions?", and I would answer yes with the provision that some of the workers may belong to professional organizations which would focus on the embetterment on resources to do the job. And with respect to wages would be done on merit based under policies by that department or inacted into law by that State Legislature.
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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Look, if negotiations between unions and managers of private companies come to a boil, the union strikes and either management folds or the company goes bankrupt.
    Indeed....all Union roads lead to Bankruptcy, USA.


    Now look at the public sector... cities, counties, states. If negotiations between unions and the public sector come to a boil, management has NO tools to deal with it. None. If a city or state declares bankruptcy, what happens to the people who lives there?
    ....well they dont lay down and die 5 seconds later.

    The Democrat voters will move to the next host organism........but life goes on for those that remain.......the people do without the government services they could never do without.

    Construction comes to a halt, because there are no inspectors, no building permits being issued,
    The inspector doesnt build the house.....neither does the government permission slip. The state is bankrupt.....not the contractor and the potential homeowner.

    no water delivery,
    Do you want water and have money? Its worked in the free market the last billion times it was tried......

    no fire protection, no police protection.
    Protection?........is there a Firefighter and a Police officer outside your door at the moment protecting you?.......

    So when the money isn't there to pay union wages and perks, what happens? Has anyone seriously thought about what would happen if, say, the state of California suddenly declared bankruptcy, and its assets were seized by the court? Everything screeches to a complete halt... and those union jobs? They're gone. Those union paychecks? They're gone too. Highway maintenance? Uh-uh. Snowplows in the mountains? Sorry, fend for yourselves until spring. Water delivery from the north part of the state to the south? Sayonara. State workers handle... used to handle that. Wildfires, floods, natural disasters... you're on your own, people. Schools? Close 'em down, people. No state, no teachers, no money. 20 million peeps will have to homeschool their kids. The dominoes continue to fall as the list goes on. Is this the worst-case scenario? Absolutely. But the worst-case scenario is not an impossible scenario.

    I used to work for a municipality. People always complain about civil servents until suddenly they don't have access to all the services they provide, services that residents severely need. In order for public entities to remain solvent, they have to have ways to cut expenses to match flexible revenues. Huge, multi-year union contracts prevent entities from doing that. Unlike the federal government, public entities are required by law to balance their budgets. They cannot by law run a "dificit."

    A private corporation goes bankrupt, a limited number of people are out of work. A state goes bankrupt, millions upon millions of people are going to be drastically and dangerously affected, and unemployment will probably soar to 30% or more. When you count all the jobs in the public service sector and jobs that are funded by the public service sector, half the state could eventually be out of work. That is why public entities cannot be allowed to go bankrupt, and why public sector unions should be abolished.
    I agree with most of what you said.....just had to get a few jabs in.
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    Re: Do you support ending all Public Sector Unions?

    Let's have a Founding Father match! You get Madison, we'll take Franklin.

    We win.

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