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  • Collective Bargaining, at least in the public sector is a fundamental human right

    13 19.70%
  • Collective Bargaining in the public sector is a privilege.

    41 62.12%
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    Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    I've never been particularly passionate about labor, and worker's rights (I know, weird for a liberal, right?), but what's currently going on in Wisconsin caused me to dig a little deeper into the issue. Given the current dearth of intelligent polls on meaningful issues, I thought I'd use this issue to make my own first original thread.

    On one hand, I believe that certain segments of the public sector are underpaid, while others are overpaid compared to their private sector counterparts. However, it also can't be denied that collective bargaining in the public sector has placed a certain burden on the taxpayers in the state. Public sector workers differ from those in the private sector in that they serve at the pleasure of the people, not some tyrannical or dictatorial management. The taxpayers of the state are essentially paying the workers and should have a say in issues such as pay and benefits. In addition, government workers are already free to form workers' associations and lobby for their own causes.

    I personally believe that collective bargaining in the public sector should be a privilege, rather than a fundamental human right.
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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    I think unions in general have outlived their usefulness. Unions as an idea much like communism seems pretty good at face value. The problem is the human corruption and favoritism infiltrate every aspect. This is why organized crime was able to get involved and stay involved for so long. It is power and money, and thus corruptible.

    Our labor laws are supposed to protect laborers. Each person should be able to negotiate a favorable wage on their own, or get a different job. Hard in these times, but it can be done.
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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    It's not a human right, it's not that important, however, it shouldn't be prohibited. Though unions, like business', should lose a lot of the protections they have.
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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I've never been particularly passionate about labor, and worker's rights (I know, weird for a liberal, right?), but what's currently going on in Wisconsin caused me to dig a little deeper into the issue. Given the current dearth of intelligent polls on meaningful issues, I thought I'd use this issue to make my own first original thread.

    On one hand, I believe that certain segments of the public sector are underpaid, while others are overpaid compared to their private sector counterparts. However, it also can't be denied that collective bargaining in the public sector has placed a certain burden on the taxpayers in the state. Public sector workers differ from those in the private sector in that they serve at the pleasure of the people, not some tyrannical or dictatorial management. The taxpayers of the state are essentially paying the workers and should have a say in issues such as pay and benefits. In addition, government workers are already free to form workers' associations and lobby for their own causes.

    I personally believe that collective bargaining in the public sector should be a privilege, rather than a fundamental human right.
    It's one thing for unions to be negotiating with their private companies -- their money, their rules. It's quite another for the public sector -- the people negotiating with them are spending Other People's Money....to curry favor and keep themselves in office.
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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    In my opinion when you work for the state, you are at their mercy. Civil service and 85% other mindless government jobs are not meant to be cushy with fantastic benefits/pay.
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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    In my opinion when you work for the state, you are at their mercy. Civil service and 85% other mindless government jobs are not meant to be cushy with fantastic benefits/pay.
    I agree with the first sentence. The second sentence, meh everyone's entitled to their own opinion.

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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
    In my opinion when you work for the state, you are at their mercy. Civil service and 85% other mindless government jobs are not meant to be cushy with fantastic benefits/pay.
    what do you do for a living?

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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by chevydriver1123 View Post
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    so, not rocket science, huh?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    so, not rocket science, huh?
    Maybe he sells rockets.
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