View Poll Results: Is Collective Bargaining in the Public Sector a Right or is it a Privilege?

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  • Collective Bargaining, at least in the public sector is a fundamental human right

    13 19.70%
  • Collective Bargaining in the public sector is a privilege.

    41 62.12%
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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I think unions in general have outlived their usefulness. Unions as an idea much like communism seems pretty good at face value. The problem is the human corruption and favoritism infiltrate every aspect. This is why organized crime was able to get involved and stay involved for so long. It is power and money, and thus corruptible.
    Corruption and favoritism are prevalent in management as well. Read up on all the foreclosure fraud going on right now if you want some good examples.
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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    So federal employees, and many state employees have had their rights infringed?
    If they are not allowed to organize and discuss their problems collectively with their employers then yes.
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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Public Employees have NO fundamental "right" to go on strike.
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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    It shouldn't be either a right OR a privilege. It should be illegal.
    Why? Just asking . . . .

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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    It's not a right, but I don't think it should be prohibited.
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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Why? Just asking . . . .
    Because the only reason that the public unions exist is to lobby government to pay them more than the job is worth. If they didn't, then they would have no reason for existing. I'm all for paying teachers more if we needed more qualified teachers and it was an effective way of recruiting them...but the unions have also ensured that there will be no merit pay.

    So every time the government overpays for public services, whether because of unions or lobbyists or old-fashioned corruption, that means that there is less taxpayer money that could be spent on something worthwhile. Government services exist to benefit the PUBLIC, not to benefit the government employees.
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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Wow, the juxtaposition of these two thoughts on one post with not problem!
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    Public Employees have NO fundamental "right" to go on strike.
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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Because the only reason that the public unions exist is to lobby government to pay them more than the job is worth.
    The same could be said of government contractors, especially those who get no-bid contracts, but I haven't heard of many Republican governors or Congressmen prohibiting those.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then View Post
    Wow, the juxtaposition of these two thoughts on one post with not problem!
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    Public Employees have NO fundamental "right" to go on strike.
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    Public employees are free to go on strike and parade around with signs all they like...but they shouldn't expect to have a job waiting for them after they've abandoned their duties to the people who are paying their salary.
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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    The same could be said of government contractors, especially those who get no-bid contracts, but I haven't heard of many Republican governors or Congressmen prohibiting those.
    I agree, if government contractors are chosen in non-transparent processes, then that's definitely a problem. There might be a few situations where such transparency is impractical, but for the most part you're absolutely right. Government shouldn't subsidize or overpay for government contractors either.
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