View Poll Results: Is Collective Bargaining in the Public Sector a Right or is it a Privilege?

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  • Collective Bargaining, at least in the public sector is a fundamental human right

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  • Collective Bargaining in the public sector is a privilege.

    41 62.12%
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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    why do these threads consistently ignore those who entered into the contracts with government employees
    The Wisconsin teachers' contract has expired.

    They are the managers. not one contract is executed where a manager was not sitting across the table from the union. ff the contract is found to have been untenable, why blame the worker instead of looking at the manager who signed off on something which should have been found inappropriate?
    Who's blaming the workers? Most people blame the unions, the politicians, and the system that allows unions to contribute millions to assure they have the support of the "managers" sitting across from them at the bargaining table...SPENDING OUR MONEY!!

    Those are the folks sitting across the table from the union ... those are the people who sign off on the contracts which are later found to be excessive.
    Those are the folks the union donated millions to in order to keep them in office.
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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    Your problem with public sector negotiation is "the people negotiating with them are spending Other People's Money".

    This situation is also true of public companies, which is part of the private sector.
    Horrific comparison.
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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    Your problem with public sector negotiation is "the people negotiating with them are spending Other People's Money".

    This situation is also true of public companies, which is part of the private sector.
    What exactly are you referring to when you say "public companies?" Are we referring to government corporations or publicly traded firms?

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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Horrific comparison.

    How is it "horrific"?
    Quote Originally Posted by Free_Radical View Post

    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    What exactly are you referring to when you say "public companies?" Are we referring to government corporations or publicly traded firms?
    "publicly traded firms"

    Public Company Definition
    Quote Originally Posted by Free_Radical View Post

    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Horrific comparison.
    but spot on

    i challenge you to disprove his point
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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    but spot on

    i challenge you to disprove his point
    One is where shareholders voluntarily invest their own money knowing the inherent risk, while the other is not.

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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    "publicly traded firms"

    Public Company Definition
    Those are companies that people CHOOSE to invest in. These investors can opt to spend their money or not, or to sell their investment at any time. That's not the same as the government where people have no choice but to give them their money in the form of taxes.
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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Those are companies that people CHOOSE to invest in. These investors can opt to spend their money or not, or to sell their investment at any time. That's not the same as the government where people have no choice but to give them their money in the form of taxes.
    It doesn't change the fact that managers negotiate with other people's money.

    If you don't like how your tax money is spent, you can hire new managers/politicians. If that is not enough, you can move to another state or country. Everytime you pay tax, you understand the risk that your money will be squandered by politicians. Conservatives especially seem to complain of this non-stop. If you don't want to pay tax, you can again vote with your feet.
    Quote Originally Posted by Free_Radical View Post

    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    but spot on

    i challenge you to disprove his point
    Spot on????????? The public sector is completely different than a public company. What are you thinking? Spot on. Right. What IS his point? That they both use money? One is taxpayer money. The other is investor money. Come onnnnn....pick another door.
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