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  • Collective Bargaining, at least in the public sector is a fundamental human right

    13 19.70%
  • Collective Bargaining in the public sector is a privilege.

    41 62.12%
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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    where in all that ignorant tripe is the answer to this question?
    Correction: I meant to say 12 hour work days in Peru, not weeks.

    As for your question, they do have an obligation according to the First Amendment to respond to petitions of grievances made by individuals. Exactly how long it takes them to respond to such matters all depends on the size and scope of government. What's your point?

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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
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    Aha! A double standard when it comes to the sacred rights contained in the Bill of Rights. I guess in libertarianville, some rights count more than others.
    There is no double standard. They're both equally valid. But you need to demonstrate where and how their rights to petition the government and/or their rights to gun ownership were violated.

    My union looked out for me for over three decades and did a damn fine job of it. And I am grateful and thankful.
    Unions can be great for those who are lucky enough to be apart of them, but in the end, unions are notorious for artificially raising wages and unemployment rates.

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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    Correction: I meant to say 12 hour work days in Peru, not weeks.

    As for your question, they do have an obligation according to the First Amendment to respond to petitions of grievances made by individuals. Exactly how long it takes them to respond to such matters all depends on the size and scope of government. What's your point?
    let's examine the first amdendment:
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
    that sets forth the right to petition. nowhere is indicated a process or procedure or timeline for the response to such grievance. but the state has entered into a contract with the union which contract defines the procedure and timeliness of responses to such petitions of grievances by the unionized state workers

    and now the state's republican representatives are trying to unilaterally terminate the document entered into by both parties

    that is the point i am making
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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    from E. Galt

    Unions can be great for those who are lucky enough to be apart of them
    That is correct. Which is why nearly we all non-management workers should have one.
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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    let's examine the first amdendment:

    that sets forth the right to petition. nowhere is indicated a process or procedure or timeline for the response to such grievance. but the state has entered into a contract with the union which contract defines the procedure and timeliness of responses to such petitions of grievances by the unionized state workers

    and now the state's republican representatives are trying to unilaterally terminate the document entered into by both parties

    that is the point i am making
    You failed to demonstrate how the Governor's proposed changes would violate the First Amendment rights of public workers. And by the way, the union contract is up for renewal in less than thirty days. If you're implying a breach of contract, you're simply wrong.

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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
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    That is correct. Which is why nearly we all non-management workers should have one.
    Given that less than a quarter of all workers are unionized, I hardly see them as the idealized champions for the betterment of workers. You took what I said out of context. They artificially raise the wages of union workers precisely because they have artifically limited the number of workers. The union workers are enjoying high wages by artifically restricting the supply of workers. It's all simple economics.

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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by ElijahGalt View Post
    You failed to demonstrate how the Governor's proposed changes would violate the First Amendment rights of public workers.
    i established that the contract terms, agreed upon by both parties, sets forth how the petition for grievance provision of the first amendment would be responded to and enforced ... since such enforcement language is absent from the first amendment text

    And by the way, the union contract is up for renewal in less than thirty days. If you're implying a breach of contract, you're simply wrong.
    again, you place your ignorance on public display
    the contract VERY likely has a rollover provision - it is standard boilerplate - which keeps the present version binding and intact until any new contract terms are negotiated upon and signed by the parties
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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i established that the contract terms, agreed upon by both parties, sets forth how the petition for grievance provision of the first amendment would be responded to and enforced ... since such enforcement language is absent from the first amendment text
    Fine. That still doesn't indicate that the First Amendment rights of public workers in WI are being violated or will be violated.

    again, you place your ignorance on public display
    the contract VERY likely has a rollover provision - it is standard boilerplate - which keeps the present version binding and intact until any new contract terms are negotiated upon and signed by the parties
    First you claim I'm displaying my ignorance regarding the contract matter and then you follow it immediately with an assertion based on faith, not fact. You don't even know for fact whether or not it is a standard boilerplate. And just so you know, even a standard boilerplate contract comes up for renewal. There is no "rollover provision" that lasts for eternity. I've read recently that the contract is coming up for renewal, which would make it legal for the governor to propose radical changes.

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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    Again, you place your ignorance on public display. The contract VERY likely has a rollover provision - it is standard boilerplate - which keeps the present version binding and intact until any new contract terms are negotiated upon and signed by the parties
    No. You. Every valid labor contract has a begin-end date. Contracts expire.
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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    from Galt

    It's all simple economics.
    Ah yes, the joys and wisdom of a ECON high school textbook. Were it all as simple as that. Unfortunately, we live in the real world where supply can remain constant and demand does not increase one bit but prices of gas shoot up 10% in a week.

    And then there is the wonderful world of competition where different merchants either lower their prices or give better services to consumers to attract more customers and increase their profits. Tell the four gas stations on the same intersection all about those simple economics while they all charge exactly the same for a gallon of gas.

    What chapter of the free market book is that one in?
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