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  • Collective Bargaining, at least in the public sector is a fundamental human right

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  • Collective Bargaining in the public sector is a privilege.

    41 62.12%
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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    It is a right in so much as it is the right of the individual to decide how he or she wants to negotiate her wage. If this means individually or collectively matters not. Banning or denying collective bargaining is a direct attack on personal freedoms.
    Do businesses have the right to collectively bargain for higher prices for their products? No, that's an anti-competitive trust or monopoly, and is illegal in both the US and EU for good reason. The same should apply to monopolies on labor (I.e. unions), especially in the public sector where their sole purpose is to fleece the public.
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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Do businesses have the right to collectively bargain for higher prices for their products? No, that's an anti-competitive trust or monopoly, and is illegal in both the US and EU for good reason. The same should apply to monopolies on labor (I.e. unions), especially in the public sector where their sole purpose is to fleece the public.
    Pretty much agree with everything except the last sentence.

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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Maybe he sells rockets.
    ....LOL......and doing the floor rolling thing...
    I'd love to see Walmart unionize, and give the little mom and pop places a chance.

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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    ....LOL......and doing the floor rolling thing...
    I'd love to see Walmart unionize, and give the little mom and pop places a chance.
    i don't see how the unionization of walmart is going to provide mom&pop businesses with more opportunity. could you explain how that would be expected to result
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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Do businesses have the right to collectively bargain for higher prices for their products? No, that's an anti-competitive trust or monopoly, and is illegal in both the US and EU for good reason. The same should apply to monopolies on labor (I.e. unions), especially in the public sector where their sole purpose is to fleece the public.
    A business is essentially a group of people and one of the essential functions is collective action. I don't see this being a good comparison.

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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    I'm a socialist, so I am compelled to say it is a right to protest, and demand better wages.
    But the manner in which people carry it out and the reasons behind it are a bit absurd sometimes. So I have to take a more conservative approach to this and say its a bit of both. You have your right to collective bargaining, but if the unions are being [insert derogatory term of your choice], then the government should also have the right to step in and refuse the unions.
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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    A business is essentially a group of people and one of the essential functions is collective action. I don't see this being a good comparison.
    It's not the collective action (in the sense of organizing to achieve a common goal) that's inherently problematic. It's the collusion to fix prices that's the problem, and is why we have antitrust laws. Labor unions are essentially trusts; their members collude to try to get an above-market price for their product (I.e. their labor).
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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Well holy crap, a reasonable Socialist...I am impressed.

    I tip my hat to you sir/ma'am.

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    I'm a socialist, so I am compelled to say it is a right to protest, and demand better wages.
    But the manner in which people carry it out and the reasons behind it are a bit absurd sometimes. So I have to take a more conservative approach to this and say its a bit of both. You have your right to collective bargaining, but if the unions are being [insert derogatory term of your choice], then the government should also have the right to step in and refuse the unions.
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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    other: it is a threat to representative government.

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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    It's not the collective action (in the sense of organizing to achieve a common goal) that's inherently problematic. It's the collusion to fix prices that's the problem, and is why we have antitrust laws. Labor unions are essentially trusts; their members collude to try to get an above-market price for their product (I.e. their labor).
    I have to admit, that is a perspective I have never considered.

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