View Poll Results: Is Collective Bargaining in the Public Sector a Right or is it a Privilege?

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  • Collective Bargaining, at least in the public sector is a fundamental human right

    13 19.70%
  • Collective Bargaining in the public sector is a privilege.

    41 62.12%
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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    (smile) Uhhh, who has RESISTED merit based pay for decades

    The Unions.

    Now, whatever you've been talking about...the OP is about Public Unions

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    Maybe you are. I have been talking about unions (both private and public) for a while now.

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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Neither do communists. His point was that the system proposed by Elija is very similar to those used in communism. Government employees are subject to the pay that the employer decrees without the ability to make demands.
    I'm confused.
    Our government employees do not have Collective Bargaining Powers or the ability to make demands.
    Again, we are not Communists or anything like Communists here in the great state of Texas.
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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    Actually you are responding to Barb who is telling you that Texas doesn't have the CB chip to play....sorry

    Now....you DO know the hub bub is about Public Sector workers...don't you?
    Yep, I'm talking Public Sector (it's what the OT is about) and people are comparing the lack of CB to communism.

    I always thought it was the unions who were all into that communist/socialist garbage. They were out in full force during the One nation rally right along with the SEIU, and all the other unions.
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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post

    Now, piss off troll.
    HEY!

    I'm jealous. I thought you only used that term of endearment on me.
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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Yep, I'm talking Public Sector (it's what the OT is about) and people are comparing the lack of CB to communism.

    I always thought it was the unions who were all into that communist/socialist garbage. They were out in full force during the One nation rally right along with the SEIU, and all the other unions.
    No to the former, yes to the latter. Marx and hardline Communists detested unions.

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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I've never been particularly passionate about labor, and worker's rights (I know, weird for a liberal, right?), but what's currently going on in Wisconsin caused me to dig a little deeper into the issue. Given the current dearth of intelligent polls on meaningful issues, I thought I'd use this issue to make my own first original thread.

    On one hand, I believe that certain segments of the public sector are underpaid, while others are overpaid compared to their private sector counterparts. However, it also can't be denied that collective bargaining in the public sector has placed a certain burden on the taxpayers in the state. Public sector workers differ from those in the private sector in that they serve at the pleasure of the people, not some tyrannical or dictatorial management. The taxpayers of the state are essentially paying the workers and should have a say in issues such as pay and benefits. In addition, government workers are already free to form workers' associations and lobby for their own causes.

    I personally believe that collective bargaining in the public sector should be a privilege, rather than a fundamental human right.
    A fundamental human right??? Are you ****ting me?
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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    A fundamental human right??? Are you ****ting me?
    you could vote in the poll and discuss your own position with a degree of civility rather than being an ass. For what it's worth collective bargaining in the private sector is regarded as a fundamental right by many.

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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    I'm confused.
    Our government employees do not have Collective Bargaining Powers or the ability to make demands.
    Again, we are not Communists or anything like Communists here in the great state of Texas.
    Read... the... thread... Elija said that he supported a system where employees didn't have CB or ability to make demands. Somebody suggested that systems where employees do not have ability to make collective bargains or makes demands is used in communist systems. In addition communist countries use this system far more often than free societies. Collective bargain is by no means a communist invention. It's not even a capitalist invention. It's existed even as far back as feudalism.
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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    HEY!

    I'm jealous. I thought you only used that term of endearment on me.
    There's nothing special about you so why would I use any term of endearment towards you? You're just a generic conservative who supports corporate enslavement of the masses.
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    Re: Is Collective Bargaining in the public sector a Right, or is it a Privilege?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    you could vote in the poll and discuss your own position with a degree of civility rather than being an ass. For what it's worth collective bargaining in the private sector is regarded as a fundamental right by many.
    People consider too many things "rights" these days in my opinion. Oh well, doesn't make it so.
    I may have already posted this

    Teacher's Unions/Collective Bargaining: Encyclopedia of Everyday Law

    Constitutional Considerations Regarding Unions

    The First Amendment of the BILL OF RIGHTS provides: "Congress shall make no law . . . prohibiting . . . the right of people peaceably to assemble." This right, as applied to the states through the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution, has been interpreted to give teachers and other employees the right to free association, including the right to join a union, such as the National Education Association or the American Federation of Teachers. However, the Constitution does not grant teachers the right to bargain collectively with employers. This right is based on applicable provisions in state constitutions, federal statutes, or state statutes. Similarly, teachers do not have a constitutional right to strike, though other federal law or state law may permit teachers to strike.
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