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Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

Who's worse Bush or Obama?

  • Bush

    Votes: 72 64.3%

  • Obama

    Votes: 40 35.7%
  • Total voters
    112
presluc said:
Well, you can take that up with the IRS.

As far as conflict corporations old cry was we are not responsible for the American worker.
The American worker is not responsible for American products sales or income taxes collected by the IRS.
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If corporations want loyal workers, they have to treat the workers well, and that means benefits, or enough pay for the workers to buy their own benefits.....
As for sales of American products, the products are made by American workers. Sales personnel are also American workers, or did that fact escape you?
You are off track and making no sense.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Allow me to correct your misrepresentations of what I said, since you apparently don't understand.

I didn't say the waivers were a problem, I said they're temporary. If I'm not mistaken, those who receive them can only use them for one year. And while I agreed that Obama's health care will increase deficits, I also pointed out the current system of delivering health care via emergency rooms also increases the deficit.
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If there is not a problem, why has Obama granted waivers? IT is not the waivers that are the problem (in and of themselves), it is the part of the plan that the waivers are being granted that is the problem. However, you knew that and decided to misrepresent what I was refering to.
 
UtahBill said:
When it happens to you, or yours, you will recant...I have seen it more than once....
Rail against the ones using such programs, until it benefits you or your kids.....
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It has happened to me and I used my own resources to do it.

Ps. Thankyou for admitting that you have no desire to end all entitlements as you first claimed, rather, you simply want to sponge even more off of others.
 
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Boo Radley said:
you do know that is more than possible Bush really was that bad. I mean, objectively and honestly. Saying the truth doesn't make one partisan. :coffeepap
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Yeah you drink your coffee, you're good at that......"hands down".
 
ggh said:
It has happened to me and I used my own resources to do it.

Ps. Thankyou for admitting that you have no desire to end all entitlements as you first claimed, rather, you simply want to sponge even more off of others.
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thankyou for putting your words in my mouth...now I am a liar....

I was on my own at 18, with 2 choices, wait til I got drafted and get sent to vietnam, or join the service branch of my choice and hope to get some good training that would make me employable after my service. I chose the latter, but still got to go to Vietnam. I didn't know about the brown water navy.....I do now.

My 12 years active duty and 10 years reserves "entitled" me to 3 years of good technical training while in the Navy, and the GI Education bill when I got out. When I turned 60 I got a pension plus health care benefits. Now that I am 65, I get even more, social security, plus a small pension from my civilian job. I get medicare part A, medicare part B at $119 or so each month, Tricare for Life covers my supplement at no expense to me. Based on my military retirement, I get free medications as I need them (free part D). I also get a small amount tax free for my disability, Parkinson's Disease, thanks to exposure to agent orange.
My wife gets SS since age 62, she is not quite old enough for medicare yet so she is on Tricare Prime, and she has her teacher's retirement since age 59, which is almost twice my retirement. Her employer, the school district, contributed exactly NOTHING to her retirement. It was all HER contributions to the state fund. As my "dependent", she enjoys some benefits from my military years.

Which of those things would you take from me?
Which of those things are "unearned" entitlements?
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
The intent of Cash for Clunkers was to generate an immediate and short term boost to the flailing auto industry. In that regard, it was a success. So much so, that Congress allocated more funds for the program after the initial funds were quickly spent. To call it a "waste" is debatable.

Unemployment has not "almost doubled" and that is a problem that existed before Obama became president.
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Excuse me, the unemployment rate has almost doubled. in Jan 2008 the UR was 5.4% as of March it is 9.2%

Unemployment - Google public data
 
DashingAmerican said:
Excuse me, the unemployment rate has almost doubled. in Jan 2008 the UR was 5.4% as of March it is 9.2%

Unemployment - Google public data
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What does January, 2008, have to do with Obama creating problems? I asked you what damage has Obama caused that wasn't a problem before he was elected. What does the unemployment rate a year before he was elected have to do with any problems he may have caused since becoming president?
 
UtahBill said:
If corporations want loyal workers, they have to treat the workers well, and that means benefits, or enough pay for the workers to buy their own benefits.....
As for sales of American products, the products are made by American workers. Sales personnel are also American workers, or did that fact escape you?
You are off track and making no sense.
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How, am I off track?

I should think it would be most dificult for workers to remain loyal to corporations when the place they work shuts down and moves over seas?

Product made by American workers?
Then why does it say made in Japan on the back of a remote to a R.C.A. T.V.?
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
What does January, 2008, have to do with Obama creating problems? I asked you what damage has Obama caused that wasn't a problem before he was elected. What does the unemployment rate a year before he was elected have to do with any problems he may have caused since becoming president?
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The fact that, whether or not he created the problem(s), he isn't making them better at all, only worse.
 
presluc said:
How, am I off track?

I should think it would be most dificult for workers to remain loyal to corporations when the place they work shuts down and moves over seas?

Product made by American workers?
Then why does it say made in Japan on the back of a remote to a R.C.A. T.V.?
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go read post 199, where YOU called them American products......
 
DashingAmerican said:
The fact that, whether or not he created the problem(s), he isn't making them better at all, only worse.
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yeah, we should have kept GWB on for a third term, he could have fixed all our problems, since he helped cause them....
or maybe McCain/Palin could have done better.....
Most of his detractors are complaining he isn't doing the right things. They don't offer any plans themselves.
Maybe they should shut up and do what they can to get us out of this mess instead of throwing rocks at the opposition....
 
UtahBill said:
yeah, we should have kept GWB on for a third term, he could have fixed all our problems, since he helped cause them....
or maybe McCain/Palin could have done better.....
Most of his detractors are complaining he isn't doing the right things. They don't offer any plans themselves.
Maybe they should shut up and do what they can to get us out of this mess instead of throwing rocks at the opposition....
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After the first term, Bush showed his true colors. With the stimulus and immigration, which every president loves to ignore.
McCain was a huge waste of time, he was TOO moderate and he only picked up Palin to show "I'm like you" to the republicans.
And I totally agree, pointing fingers helps no one. It's past time for elected officials to put up or shut up.
 
DashingAmerican said:
Every president's problems are a result of the previous president's term. Ask any president.
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Well I didn't ask any president, I asked this forum. I don't expect the same answer from posters as I would expect from a president but I was at least hoping that the posters who answered could at least answer the question within the context of which it was asked.

What problems has Obama created which weren't problems when he became president?
 
I think probably Bush and Obama were presidents during tough times. Neither of then caused our biggest problems. Both are classy guys and that is huge to me. That's what a president must have, class and honor.
 
Hatuey said:
Started 2 wars,
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obama continued both those wars and has our foot in the door on a 3rd. what happened to his promise to bring the troops home?

high oil prices as a result of those two wars
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high oil prices have nothing to do with those two wars.

demonstrated nepotism,
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and Obama hasn't?
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:

What problems has Obama created which weren't problems when he became president?
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what problems have Obama solved (and not made worse) since he became president?
 
OscarB63 said:
what problems have Obama solved (and not made worse) since he became president?
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His policies have led to the end of the recession, losing 800,000 jobs per month, inspired a bull market, bank reform ...
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
His policies have led to the end of the recession, losing 800,000 jobs per month, inspired a bull market, bank reform ...
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Preventing the oncoming Great Depression II was also significant.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
His policies have led to the end of the recession, losing 800,000 jobs per month, inspired a bull market, bank reform ...
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tell that to the 15% of the population who is still unemployed, or the prisoners still in GITMO, or the troops still in Iraq and Afghanistan...oh and Libya

yeah, that Obama has done a bangup good job.
 
UtahBill said:
go read post 199, where YOU called them American products......
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Nice try, but it would be well if you read the entire post.

I said American products sales.

Next time you correct somebody, well that wou;ld be corecting you wpuld it not?:peace
 
presluc said:
Nice try, but it would be well if you read the entire post.

I said American products sales.

Next time you correct somebody, well that wou;ld be corecting you wpuld it not?:peace
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you communicate poorly and expect me to read your mind...?
sorry, I slept thru that class.....:mrgreen:
 
UtahBill said:
you communicate poorly and expect me to read your mind...?
sorry, I slept thru that class.....:mrgreen:
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What's that old saying oh yeah, "uh cover up", or is it "white wash", I know it's excuses or the old blame game?:peace

We've debated before I expected you to accept responsibility rather than shirk it off.
 
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