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Thread: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So was Bush, unless you have issue with the constitution.

    Or are you interjecting some conspiracy BS that Florida rigged the election? Shall we started discussing Bush Certificates too if you want to bring it to such tinfoil hat levels?
    The constitution has issues with the constitution. Prominent legal scholars have put down on paper that Bush V. Gore is quite possibly one of the worst decisions ever made by SCOTUS. It's right up there with Dred Scott.

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Started 2 wars, high oil prices as a result of those two wars, Patriot Act, faith based initiatives, associating political opponents with terrorism(which has been used by the Republican party well after they left), demonstrated nepotism, completely denied the concept of waterboarding as a torturing method(even though the US had convicted Japanese soldiers of doing the same), "Brownie"...

    The list of crap that the Bush administration has tied its name to is simply too long to remember.
    This is why I voted for Bush being the more destructive of the two thus far. But I might say that, while I hate the things he's done, I feel for the man on a personal level. It wasn't his fault the world has changed, and a new era is upon us -- he came into his job believing the 21st century would be just a long 20th century, and he was wrong. America's decline wasn't so much started by him, as it was hastened. And so I feel for him -- history will label him as the man who made the American powerbase crumble, but I think he was just one of many players in that.

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I would definitely agree with at least "one" unwinnable war. But two? Last I knew Iraq was considered as a win?
    Not by me. We never should have invaded that country. It was an illegal, preemptive invasion of a country that had absolutely no ability to harm us. And we knew it! Now Iraq is in ruins, it's infrastructure demolished, a corrupt government that refuses to even meet in the same room with each other, bombs are going off killing civilians every week, you've got Shia, Sunni and now (thanks to us) Al Qaeda running around all trying to kill each other off while we watch. 35,000 of us watch. That's how many soldiers that will be based there, probably forever. Win??? Nobody won in that war. Nobody... except Iran, which now sees its dream of a Greater Persia one step closer to fruition.

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Obama
    He is on pace to rack up a ton of more debt than Bush did.
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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcadius View Post
    I'm going to keep my opinion out of the first post. I think the title pretty much sizes things up. George W. Bush vs. Barack Hussein Obama
    Same coin different sides.....both are progressives.

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I would definitely agree with at least "one" unwinnable war. But two? Last I knew Iraq was considered as a win?
    Where are you from that you think 6,000 dead soldiers, hundreds of thousands of dead civilians, mass destruction, a nine year occupation, and lack of significant governmental change constitute a win?

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I don't think you can really judge how much damage either has done for some years yet.
    Thank you. While I don't care for the policies of either President, it's impossible to judge the full impact of those policies right now. We need to see how things are going to play out. It's possible (though I don't think very likely) that Iraq and Afghanistan will be viewed as stunning successes in nation building and Bush could then be hailed as a visionary. It's also possible (though again unlikely in my book) the economy will turn around and grow leaps and bounds under Obama's policy. His deficit stimulous spending might be viewed as thing that saved us from the brink of economic disaster.

    You need at least 10 or 15 years to judge the long term impact of a Presidential administration. People who claim to rate Bush or Obama as one of the worst Presidents are doing so based solely on their own political biases. We don't yet have enough information to judge who good or bad either of them are or were as President.
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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    AS of right now...I think Obama is worse. I don't want to hear that Obama had to print more money to get out of the recession. Is that what you do when you have to pay off a credit card? Get another one and pay it off with that....Just keeps digging us deeper in an existing hole. Makes no sense whats SO ever to (this is just example) pay 1 trillion dollars off in 10 yrs and spent over that in one. Please tell me how the MATH adds up. For 2, Passing that ridiculous heath bill without letting the senate or the public have time to even read it. Pelosi says just pass the bill, read it later....um..no. And just those examples..are within 2 1/2 years...God help us if he gets re-elected.
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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcadius View Post
    I'm going to keep my opinion out of the first post. I think the title pretty much sizes things up. George W. Bush vs. Barack Hussein Obama
    In the deepest sense, neither. In democracies "the people" are responsible for everything.

    In a shallower sense, Bush is worse just because of the Iraq War. He exploited 9/11 to advance an outdated political agenda that has weakened the United States on every front. Everything Obama has tried to solve is a problem that was identified during the Bush Administration, often by the Administration itself. Instead of devoting itself to solving those problems, the Bush Administration invented a new one.

    Furthermore, since the executive branch is collaborative, it is fairer blame entire Administrations than singular Presidents.
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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I don't think you can really judge how much damage either has done for some years yet.
    Really? I rather think Obama would have to set up a meteor attractor and destroy the earth to do more damage than W.
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