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Thread: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I agree that it might have taken longer to get out of the recession...(though I still think that we are in the recession) However all that has happened is at best a bandaid affect. What should have happened is to let those big corporations fail and collapse. Yes that would have meant harder times. But I think it would have been better in the long run.

    Big corporations have a tendency to stomp out the little guys. Half the time without even realizing it. This leads to monopolies, which in turn leads to stagnation because theres no real competition to make the corporation try to stay on top. By letting those corporations fall it would have allowed more competition to surface. Which is good for the common consumer. Competition means lower prices, which in turn means more spending because people can afford <X item here>.

    This post is of course just a small part of why I think Gov spending in the middle of a recession is bad. I won't get into more of it as this is neither the thread, nor do I really feel like getting into such a debate.
    First, realize that I am a deficit hawk. I think it is a significant problem that needs to be fixed, and we should only run deficits when the economy sucks. Want to get that out front.

    Now, There are two things to realize with what both Bush and Obama did with relation to the recession. First: deficit spending is, if handled, a short term problem, even when quite large. The economy grows at ~ 3 % per quarter, which means that in the short term, you can simply grow and the spending becomes a smaller problem.

    The other important thing to realize is that when the recession hit, and when things went bad, the potential was for a complete "meltdown" of our economy, causing huge problems for many years to come. That is a huge thing to gamble on and take chances with. If you act, you get a large chunk of debt, but that is a solvable problem. If you don't act, you may, but maybe not, have the economy of the US become essentially nonfunctional. Would you want to roll those dice? I don't think I would.

    You are right, spending is a bandaid, but bandaids do serve a purpose. The problem is not that Obama spent alot, but that Obama spent alot, and the presidents(and congresses, and to an extent those who elected them) before him did not have the courage to take care of the problem when times where good. If going into the recession the budgets had been balanced, the spending would be no big deal. Since it was not, it makes fixing things all the harder. However, I do think it is still fixable, and I think the spending to keep things from being any worse than they are now was the right call.

    What does have to happen, and we no longer can accept any excuses, is that going forward we do have to fix the deficit. The next recession we cannot go into it with a deficit like we have now.
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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I would definitely agree with at least "one" unwinnable war. But two? Last I knew Iraq was considered as a win?
    Yes the mission was accomplished in 2003.

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Get back to me in 20+ years

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcadius View Post
    I'm going to keep my opinion out of the first post. I think the title pretty much sizes things up. George W. Bush vs. Barack Hussein Obama
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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    at leat Obama was elected legit.
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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    So was Bush, unless you have issue with the constitution.

    Or are you interjecting some conspiracy BS that Florida rigged the election? Shall we started discussing Bush Certificates too if you want to bring it to such tinfoil hat levels?

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    So was Bush, unless you have issue with the constitution.

    Or are you interjecting some conspiracy BS that Florida rigged the election? Shall we started discussing Bush Certificates too if you want to bring it to such tinfoil hat levels?
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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    It amazes me that people think that Bush did not run deficits like crazy and was basically even with Obama. The difference is that Bush took the wars off the books. That way his spending looked much less. Obama has the wars on the books as well as the stimulus that he and Bush both promoted. If you figure in war spending, especially to the Bachman chart, they are virtually even on spending.

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    It amazes me that people think that Bush did not run deficits like crazy and was basically even with Obama. The difference is that Bush took the wars off the books. That way his spending looked much less. Obama has the wars on the books as well as the stimulus that he and Bush both promoted. If you figure in war spending, especially to the Bachman chart, they are virtually even on spending.
    Damn straight he did, there's lots of tools they use to monkey with numbers to make them look this way or that way. It's pretty pathetic. But Bush is a big government, big war, big brother, big spending, big deficit sort of guy. He expanded so much in government, so many more laws came up, some questionable tactics, etc. He has done well more to damage the Republic at this point than Obama has. Though Obama is trying hard to finish the job Bush started. I really think Bush marked the end of the old conservative ideology and paved the way for the new neo-con ideology which only at best pays lip service to small, restrained government. In actuality they push for imperial movements of military and gross expansion of government against the rights and liberties of the individual. That is in part why thus far it is Bush who has done more to destroy the Republic.

    I think it's pretty horrible in this day and age to look back and honestly say "you know, Clinton wasn't that bad". How is it that in two tries, we haven't done better than some sleaze ball liar who should have been impeached? Instead we have two more sleaze ball liar and I'm sure that if we knew exactly what the two have done, we'd be saying they should have been impeached as well. Can we increase our standards for President instead of decreasing them to rock bottom standards?
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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    I voted Bush, but I shouldn't have. Unfortunately, neither wasn't a choice. The only way you could possibly vote "Obama" is if you believe the health care bill was more damaging to this country than the Iraq war. I am sure some do believe that, and of course, they will vote "Obama" - which is fine.

    However, those talking about debt are failing to realize that it was all incurred from something he inherited - which was the financial meltdown. So really, this question is about one thing:

    Do you disagree with the health care bill vs do you agree with the health care bill

    I agree with it, so I voted Bush, though I really hesitate to say that he damaged the country. Also, a President only has so much effect. What about the legislature?

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