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Thread: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Well, you can take that up with the IRS.

    As far as conflict corporations old cry was we are not responsible for the American worker.
    The American worker is not responsible for American products sales or income taxes collected by the IRS.
    If corporations want loyal workers, they have to treat the workers well, and that means benefits, or enough pay for the workers to buy their own benefits.....
    As for sales of American products, the products are made by American workers. Sales personnel are also American workers, or did that fact escape you?
    You are off track and making no sense.
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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Allow me to correct your misrepresentations of what I said, since you apparently don't understand.

    I didn't say the waivers were a problem, I said they're temporary. If I'm not mistaken, those who receive them can only use them for one year. And while I agreed that Obama's health care will increase deficits, I also pointed out the current system of delivering health care via emergency rooms also increases the deficit.
    If there is not a problem, why has Obama granted waivers? IT is not the waivers that are the problem (in and of themselves), it is the part of the plan that the waivers are being granted that is the problem. However, you knew that and decided to misrepresent what I was refering to.

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    When it happens to you, or yours, you will recant...I have seen it more than once....
    Rail against the ones using such programs, until it benefits you or your kids.....
    It has happened to me and I used my own resources to do it.

    Ps. Thankyou for admitting that you have no desire to end all entitlements as you first claimed, rather, you simply want to sponge even more off of others.
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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    you do know that is more than possible Bush really was that bad. I mean, objectively and honestly. Saying the truth doesn't make one partisan.
    Yeah you drink your coffee, you're good at that......"hands down".
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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrehalf View Post
    Bush. His expensive war strategy has done a lot of damage .
    Expensive war strategy??? Is there any other?
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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by ggh View Post
    It has happened to me and I used my own resources to do it.

    Ps. Thankyou for admitting that you have no desire to end all entitlements as you first claimed, rather, you simply want to sponge even more off of others.
    thankyou for putting your words in my mouth...now I am a liar....

    I was on my own at 18, with 2 choices, wait til I got drafted and get sent to vietnam, or join the service branch of my choice and hope to get some good training that would make me employable after my service. I chose the latter, but still got to go to Vietnam. I didn't know about the brown water navy.....I do now.

    My 12 years active duty and 10 years reserves "entitled" me to 3 years of good technical training while in the Navy, and the GI Education bill when I got out. When I turned 60 I got a pension plus health care benefits. Now that I am 65, I get even more, social security, plus a small pension from my civilian job. I get medicare part A, medicare part B at $119 or so each month, Tricare for Life covers my supplement at no expense to me. Based on my military retirement, I get free medications as I need them (free part D). I also get a small amount tax free for my disability, Parkinson's Disease, thanks to exposure to agent orange.
    My wife gets SS since age 62, she is not quite old enough for medicare yet so she is on Tricare Prime, and she has her teacher's retirement since age 59, which is almost twice my retirement. Her employer, the school district, contributed exactly NOTHING to her retirement. It was all HER contributions to the state fund. As my "dependent", she enjoys some benefits from my military years.

    Which of those things would you take from me?
    Which of those things are "unearned" entitlements?
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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    The intent of Cash for Clunkers was to generate an immediate and short term boost to the flailing auto industry. In that regard, it was a success. So much so, that Congress allocated more funds for the program after the initial funds were quickly spent. To call it a "waste" is debatable.

    Unemployment has not "almost doubled" and that is a problem that existed before Obama became president.
    Excuse me, the unemployment rate has almost doubled. in Jan 2008 the UR was 5.4% as of March it is 9.2%

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post

    Excuse me, the unemployment rate has almost doubled. in Jan 2008 the UR was 5.4% as of March it is 9.2%

    Unemployment - Google public data
    What does January, 2008, have to do with Obama creating problems? I asked you what damage has Obama caused that wasn't a problem before he was elected. What does the unemployment rate a year before he was elected have to do with any problems he may have caused since becoming president?

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    If corporations want loyal workers, they have to treat the workers well, and that means benefits, or enough pay for the workers to buy their own benefits.....
    As for sales of American products, the products are made by American workers. Sales personnel are also American workers, or did that fact escape you?
    You are off track and making no sense.
    How, am I off track?

    I should think it would be most dificult for workers to remain loyal to corporations when the place they work shuts down and moves over seas?

    Product made by American workers?
    Then why does it say made in Japan on the back of a remote to a R.C.A. T.V.?
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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    What does January, 2008, have to do with Obama creating problems? I asked you what damage has Obama caused that wasn't a problem before he was elected. What does the unemployment rate a year before he was elected have to do with any problems he may have caused since becoming president?
    The fact that, whether or not he created the problem(s), he isn't making them better at all, only worse.
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