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Thread: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Again, that is ideologically subjective. I don't see it as a problem.
    No, it is not ideologically subjective nor are you the arbiter of what is subjective or objective. You have agreed that deficits are a problem which Obamacare will increase, you agree that the fact of the waivers denotes a problem.

    Of course in addition to these things, there is the fact that the COTUS does not grant the congress the power to enact any type of health care legislation. And if you want to try and argue the "general welfare clause", lets move it to the constitutional section.

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by ggh View Post
    So you believe that all income belongs to the government and that any money that they do not take is an entitlement program - I must presume that you believe in full fledged communism.


    No more subsidies for anything.



    So you don't want to get rid of all entitlements then.



    So now you want to have a Job Entitlement program?

    I noticed that you did not mention the big entitlement programs, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid nor the newest entitlement Program ObamaCare.

    How about Planned Parenthood, Pell Grants, The various Arts entitlement programs?
    You prefer letting the truly disabled starve to death?
    You prefer handing out cash instead of making recipients earn it with service to their country?
    Inconsistent much? BTW, hide your true colors much? You are an ubercon, right?
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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by ggh View Post

    No, it is not ideologically subjective nor are you the arbiter of what is subjective or objective. You have agreed that deficits are a problem which Obamacare will increase, you agree that the fact of the waivers denotes a problem.
    Allow me to correct your misrepresentations of what I said, since you apparently don't understand.

    I didn't say the waivers were a problem, I said they're temporary. If I'm not mistaken, those who receive them can only use them for one year. And while I agreed that Obama's health care will increase deficits, I also pointed out the current system of delivering health care via emergency rooms also increases the deficit.

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Allow me to correct your misrepresentations of what I said, since you apparently don't understand.

    I didn't say the waivers were a problem, I said they're temporary. If I'm not mistaken, those who receive them can only use them for one year. And while I agreed that Obama's health care will increase deficits, I also pointed out the current system of delivering health care via emergency rooms also increases the deficit.
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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    You prefer letting the truly disabled starve to death?
    That is what families, charities, and state/local governments are for. It is not what the Federal Government is for.

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    You prefer handing out cash instead of making recipients earn it with service to their country?
    Inconsistent much? BTW, hide your true colors much? You are an ubercon, right?
    Since I want to get rid of all entitlements, we will not be handing out cash to anyone and the Federal Government will be able to first pay off the debt and then be able to reduce taxes.

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by ggh View Post
    That is what families, charities, and state/local governments are for. It is not what the Federal Government is for.


    Since I want to get rid of all entitlements, we will not be handing out cash to anyone and the Federal Government will be able to first pay off the debt and then be able to reduce taxes.
    When it happens to you, or yours, you will recant...I have seen it more than once....
    Rail against the ones using such programs, until it benefits you or your kids.....
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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post

    You prefer letting the truly disabled starve to death?

    Quote Originally Posted by ggh View Post

    That is what families, charities, and state/local governments are for. It is not what the Federal Government is for.
    Why should they have to depend on the charities of others, which may or may not arrive? Especially when we have a federal government of the people, by the people, and for the people; which has the authority to provide for the general welfare of the nation?

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post

    When it happens to you, or yours, you will recant...I have seen it more than once....
    Rail against the ones using such programs, until it benefits you or your kids.....
    Happens all the time. I know a few people who collect disability checks from the government and they belong to the left and the right.

    And you are exactly right -- even those who rail against it are just as quick to use it when it's needed.

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    math doesn't, but statistics does...
    the people interpreting the raw data tend to get the results they WANT, by twisting the assumptions up front, and discounting any data that appears to conflict with their assumptions.
    Well, you can take that up with the IRS.

    As far as conflict corporations old cry was we are not responsible for the American worker.
    The American worker is not responsible for American products sales or income taxes collected by the IRS.
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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by lpast View Post
    It certainly hasnt been as bad as from Obamas innauguration till today, pakistan is ready to stop supporting us after we gave them billions.
    Iraq war still going, afghanistan alive and well, gitmo still open, were back to military tribunals, now were in LIBYA, unemployment went from 7% to 10 after we were assured if we give away a trillion dollars it will never go over 8%.
    Look bush was not my favorite president but he was damn sure far superior to what weve gotten in obama, hes done more damage to the morale and image of the United States that Jimmy Carter did. Doesnt matter if you liberals will admit it publically that Obama is a total failure...we know you do it privately to not would mean liberals are dumber than doornails...they see it
    Pakestan stop supporting us?
    When did they start?
    Al Quida was hidden and has been hiding in Pakestan

    The Iraq was a PRE emtive strike on a nation that we didn't need to go to war with.

    In 8 years Bush went from x amount of debt to xxxxxxxx amount of debt.
    Check the numbers.

    Carter was a wimp and a failure what's your point?

    I thought this was about Bush and Obama?
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