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Thread: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post

    He did the "Cash for Clunkers" which faild miserably which wasted money which increased the debt, unemployment has almost doubled, etc.
    The intent of Cash for Clunkers was to generate an immediate and short term boost to the flailing auto industry. In that regard, it was a success. So much so, that Congress allocated more funds for the program after the initial funds were quickly spent. To call it a "waste" is debatable.

    Unemployment has not "almost doubled" and that is a problem that existed before Obama became president.

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post

    Well, as I have said play the blame game all you wish, matematics does not lie.
    No, but people playing dangerously with numbers do lie.

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    The only two ways to stop companies from sending jobs overseas are to nationalize the companies, ie, move further to the fascist state Obama is engineering now, or to stop taxing and regulating businesses to death, ie, expand freedom by shrinkin government.

    Just "educating" peole won't do ****, while the problem of "outsourcing" lies with the ignorant asses that keep voting leftists into power, the possession of an 'education' in itself is insufficient to alter the course of history.

    But it's nice to see you conceded on the other topic and are now working on losing this out of topic strand also.
    Then America is in trouble cause thonly way to pay off America's debt is through working people who pay income taxes.
    At present the majority of American people are either blue collar or unskilled.
    On the one hand you support cutting education with a chainsaw, onthe other you are suporting outsourseing te jobs unskilled labor can do.

    Bush was in power 8 years what improvements on education did he make "no child left behind". lol
    What jobs did Bush create?
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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Well, as I have said play the blame game all you wish, matematics does not lie.
    math doesn't, but statistics does...
    the people interpreting the raw data tend to get the results they WANT, by twisting the assumptions up front, and discounting any data that appears to conflict with their assumptions.
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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    The only two ways to stop companies from sending jobs overseas are to nationalize the companies, ie, move further to the fascist state Obama is engineering now, or to stop taxing and regulating businesses to death, ie, expand freedom by shrinkin government.

    Just "educating" peole won't do ****, while the problem of "outsourcing" lies with the ignorant asses that keep voting leftists into power, the possession of an 'education' in itself is insufficient to alter the course of history.

    But it's nice to see you conceded on the other topic and are now working on losing this out of topic strand also.
    I'm not sure what it's called when someone frames a position with available solutions, but limits those solutions within the realm of attempting to establish a bull**** point, but that is what you did and I'm sure there's a name for it.

    You left out a third, rather reasonable and effective method, to inspire companies to stop sending jobs overseas -- you put back in place the tariffs that made it more profitable for them to keep their employees here.

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    FDR implemented gross violations of the Constitution that led to the assumption of 100,000,000,000,000 dollars in debt the Mayor's children must share.

    FDR implemented the gross violation of the Constitution the led to the economic collapse of 2008.

    FDR gave away central europe to be slave states to Russia.



    FDR sucked.

    Kennedy was an incompetent boob and the nation was lucky he was shot, and would have been luckier if he'd been shot sooner. Like before he commited troops to the Bay of Pigs and promised them air cover he didn't send out.

    Truman never really had any sweeping policies, except that he started the Cold War. Is that a beauty mark or a blemish?



    Funny, isn't it, how so many Democrats are too embarassed to admit it and pretend they're independent, even though they never criticize any of the socialist nonsense the Democrats commit and are always ready to defend the Democrats.

    The Mayor isn't a politician, he doesn't want anyone's vote.



    Can't get more perfect than that, can it?



    The Mayor saw his duty to his country and enlisted, even though there was no draft.

    The Mayor is a patriot.



    Can the Mayor ask why your cousin is buried in Afghanistan when he died in Korea?

    Oh!

    WAIT!

    You said your cousin was "lost" in Korea. The Mayor is glad you found where your cousin went to.



    That's going to be rough on your mother.



    All joking aside, the world cannot be improved by making everyone his neighbor's slave, as the promotion of socialism demands. The world can only be improved by making people free.
    First of all I suppose F.D.R. could have sit on his hands and wait for the deperession to end.
    Of course budgets cuts would have been easy, as well as government spending because frankly America was broke aka the DEPRESSION.

    As far as Kennedy, where were you during the Cuban missle Chises when President Kennedy gave Russia an ultimatum you ships will be boarded or turn around or your ships will be fired upon,
    This was as close to a nuclear war as America ever came.

    Truman was the first president, the first person to order a nuclear attack on an enemy.
    Truman was the first president to fire a 5 star general.
    Truman had a plack it read "THE BUCK STOPS HERE" simple but effective.

    If you are implying that I'm a Democrat only predending to be an independent I would suggest you check my posts sir.
    I have critisised democrat as well as Republican , libertarian and Tea party as well as liberals.
    Can you say the same about your post?
    I see only the Democrats did this the leftist Democrats did this.
    While the Republican right makes no mistakes???

    So let me get this straight, in one sentence you brag about what a patroit you are in the next you question why my cousin is in Afganistan?
    Newsflash, I had more than one cousin.
    What were you in when you enlisted, quartermaster?
    If you was a grunt you wouldn't be making those comments.

    Slander about my family ?
    Really Mayor you might want to call a city counsil on that one.
    Have some your PR staff work a little harder,
    I don't rattle that easy.

    So it's ok to have slave labor overseas working for corporations, just not in America, after all people might talk about that human rights issue, and helping other nations to become a democracy like America?
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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Bush damaged the world? Are you for real....hyperbole much?
    So you tell me how great America's foreign policy was in Sept 2006 ot Sept 2008?
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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    suppose it had been proposed by GWB, would BushCare be more palatable? No pun intended.
    IT IS A FACT that a lot of pundits, politicians, and ordinary people hate Obama enough to hate whatever he does.
    IT is also a fact that MOST of those who say they can't afford to buy their own insurance actually can afford it, but they would have to do without "essentials" like more house and car than they need, cell phones, cable TV, internet, dining out, hair and nail care, bling, saggy pants, pre-damaged pants, beer, wine, smokes, etc.
    Personal responsibility used to be a tenent of both parties to some degree. What happened?
    Not in the least, nor did I care for his new entitlement program.

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    We should get rid of ALL entitlement programs, but we should start with those that benefit the rich.....
    The preferred tax rates on "unearned income" have to go. All income should be taxed the same for all of us. All income should be subject to FICA taxes, no ceiling....
    So you believe that all income belongs to the government and that any money that they do not take is an entitlement program - I must presume that you believe in full fledged communism.

    No more subsidies for farmers, be they small, or corporate size.
    No more subsidies for anything.

    We should only help the truly disabled, all able bodied should be drafted into the Army Reserves and paid for their one weekend a month and their 2 weeks a year training, instead of just handing them cash to sit around and wait for the economy to change.
    So you don't want to get rid of all entitlements then.

    Govt support should be in the form of a job, even if only part time....
    So now you want to have a Job Entitlement program?

    I noticed that you did not mention the big entitlement programs, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid nor the newest entitlement Program ObamaCare.

    How about Planned Parenthood, Pell Grants, The various Arts entitlement programs?

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    So you tell me how great America's foreign policy was in Sept 2006 ot Sept 2008?
    It certainly hasnt been as bad as from Obamas innauguration till today, pakistan is ready to stop supporting us after we gave them billions.
    Iraq war still going, afghanistan alive and well, gitmo still open, were back to military tribunals, now were in LIBYA, unemployment went from 7% to 10 after we were assured if we give away a trillion dollars it will never go over 8%.
    Look bush was not my favorite president but he was damn sure far superior to what weve gotten in obama, hes done more damage to the morale and image of the United States that Jimmy Carter did. Doesnt matter if you liberals will admit it publically that Obama is a total failure...we know you do it privately to not would mean liberals are dumber than doornails...they see it

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